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Hi everybody,

as one can see the admin isn't happy that we discuss the improved version 3.1 here, and (maybe) that it works (of course!) on the "old" hardware.

But downloading that version from Rudi's homepage and upgrading your MMV is legal!!! And all the things said before here are true!!!

So, if Moogmusic doesn't deliver the new OS for all and doesn't wish to discuss some questions concerning that best OS (until now) here, we could move to another forum...

As soon as there is the need of doing so I will give my best to inform that users that want to get V3.1...

Bye!

Why is the old thread gone? And if 3.1 fixes a bug well then it should be made available to V3.0 users. At worst an official statement should be made and not these types of posts deleted so users know what's going on. It seems to me the posts about voyager os, rumors of moog gear, or non-moog equipment get deleted faster than the recent threads of spam the forum has been seeing. Need I remind anyone of those nudy pics that were posted and up for a few days

What is going on???

This is CRAZY!!!

I think Moog has handled this badly.. I just don't understand what their plan was -- it seems that if you didn't get the board upgrade you weren't going to be able to get any more OS updates, and to me, that just wasn't right.

It was also unfortunate that everyone was left in the dark about what was going on. I think that everyone assumed that paying almost 3k for a synth you'd be able to get updates as they came along, without having to pay an additional $300.

And if they were going to do that, at least they could let their customers know where they stand. They don't owe anyone updates, but continued customer support keeps a loyal following.

You don't know that.

The software may just have some bugs in it. Try and have faith in Moogmusic and not be so mistrusting.

Seems to me like all you're really getting with the new board is a larger Flash for more preset storage.

Does anyone know if there's an improved (maybe faster) controller on there or is it just larger Flash device?

I have around 10 presets I use regularly live. I don't need the preset storage the new board provides, so if we can get new features on the old board I'll probably be happy.

sir_dss wrote:You don't know that.

The software may just have some bugs in it. Try and have faith in Moogmusic and not be so mistrusting.

Yes, exactly my point. We don't know, and that's the problem.

Hello,

starting this new thread wasn't thought as a call for any boycott concerning Moogmusic.

I was sad because of the removing that original thread, where everybody was informed about the possibility to upgrade their original MMVs.

I think that the lost of this information makes some of us (the users!) insecure if that new OS V3.1 will work properly.

Therefore it was important to read the comments and to know the benefits well.

I for myself can only repeat the statement that V3.1 is the best until now, makes the MMV much more comfortable and delivers the good feeling to own an up-to-date musical instrument. That's very important for me, also because of the high level price I paid for.

Of course, V3.x is necessary for use of the memory expansion board, but this doesn't mean that everybody without that board has to "abjure" the new features. This matter of fact isn't given by the nature of software itself, but this is because of the vision of the well known software developer, Rudi !

On the other hand, it's a great idea of Moogmusic to develop an optional board, which can help those of us that wished to have nearly all their presets on board and don't like to use a PC (or so) for reloading such presets.

As said before (and many times discussed here) not everybody really needs these possibilities, but is very happy to get the MMV updated.

So, don't stop downloading V3.1 from http://www.moogmusic.de and communicate any problem and/or wishes for further improvements.

Thank you!

The software definitely has some bugs in it. Maybe Moog doesn't want you to intall this software because:
1) it has bugs
2) may void your warranty
3) hasn't been "officially" released yet

Geez, people have some patience. Have a beer and relax....

4) Maybe Moog Music dislikes the fact, that the 3.x versions do run on all non upgraded Voyager as well. Or why didn't they released the 3.0 version for all users to download?

Comments by me about the other points:

to 1)
the version 3.1 is a bug fix of 3.0 and got no known bug except a wrong copyright span shown in the display. If you have a chance to come to my place, I would like to show the SO to you to see it is running even better then all OS versions before.

to 2)
did you sign a paper, that loading a free OS version done by the one and only Moog Voyager OS programmer Rudi Linhard will void your warrenty?
There is no small print like this in the papers that came with my Voyager.

to 3)
see #4 for a reason why it might not been released (yet).

I don't know ANYTHING about this "TEK" person and they do only have ONE post. Sounds fishy

OysterRock what are these "bugs" in OS 3.1

We should be putting our support behind Moog Music. Moog has been extremely diligent about updating the Voyager and keeping it vibrant. They could have created a whole new "Voyager+" where one would have to buy the new Voyager if they wanted the latest product. There would not have been a simple board upgrade. That's what Access seems to do every two years with the Virus. I'm not sure what the deal is with Rudi distributing the new OS, but if I had a product and a contractor offered an upgrade without my approval, I would be irate, and I bet most of you would be too. I say, BE PATIENT. For all we know, OS 3.1 fell short of what Moog Music wanted. I don't know. But I do know that support has been a high priority at Moog, and I am in awe of the lack of respect and faith some have shown to Moog recently in this forum.

It seems pretty simple to me that less upgrade boards will be sold if the new OS works without the boards. Some people will want the board for the extra presets still, but wouldn't feel forced to get the board for the new OS. It makes sense on Moog's side and the consumers' side.

My main question is why Moog wouldn't have an exclusive legal agreement that only the Moog website would make upgrades available. I'm sure there are variables involved that I'm not aware of. Has the upgrade been removed from Rudi's site? If there are problems with the OS, why would the designer intentionally release it and potentially damage his own credibility?

It sounds more like it's more of an issue of Moog protecting it's interests, and rightfully so, than the upgrade itself.

Lengai wrote:...
Has the upgrade been removed from Rudi's site?
...

No. still there.

Hi Voyager forum folks!

We now have 3.1 available on the Moog website:

http://moogmusic.com/detail.php?product ... uct_id=163

http://moogmusic.com/detail.php?product ... uct_id=161

Frank B - sorry your thread got deleted yesterday - it was a boo boo - there's no "undo" in this bulletin board admin... I hope there are no hard feelings. Enjoy the new version! And also - thanks Rudi for your hard work.

I'd like to clarify one thing about software vs. hardware upgrades -

the version 3.0 (now we need to change this to 3.1) hardware upgrade that we are selling is to increase the user memory to 896 presets. See the user notes in the .zip file - any voyager can be upgraded to 3.1 but only the ones with the hardware upgrade can get the 896 presets. Sorry if this confused anyone.

OK back to the bench to work on our new projects...

Steve Dunnington
Moog Music