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One thing that has driven me crazy while tweaking the voyager is the lack of a pass through mode for the panel knobs. If I have a setting saved in a patch like filter cutoff but i happen to have the actual value of the filter cutoff at the polar opposite of the setting in memory, when I touch the knob to edit it jumps to the panel setting.

I would love to see a pass through mode implemented in a future os revision. I see it exisits for the touch screen but shouldn't it exist for the panel knobs as well?

Or if I am really dumb and missing something in the settings, let me know please.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I think that's a good idea, and I for myself missed it particularly when I started with my MMV... (years ago ).

Together with that new functionality of temporarily displaying (3sec.) of any parameter change (V3.1 necessary), it would be very helpful...

This new display could inform the user that turning/switing to the original (stored) value is necesarry and starts afterwards changing the parameter value. If the display message is clear that feature could be very, very helpful!

Very nice idea, Mark. Let's see...

On the Waldorf WAVE there are several modes selctable to solve this "problem":
- the mode we got right now

- the snap mode
you once have to sweap the knob through the value that was stored till the knob goes active.

- relative mode
the knob will change the stored value relative to its possition. this is like that: if the pot was stored at 12 o'clock position and the knob happens to be now set to the 2 o'clock postion, the value will change as if the pot would be set at 12 o'clock until the end of the pot is reached. To get the full range, one has to turn the knob to both ends of the turn.
This way you are able to do slightly changes without a jump in sound. But on the other hand, the knob pointer will not show its actual position due to the relative mode.

The best would have been to use motorized knobs and switches to give us a panel that is always set up like the sound stored. But I would not be able to pay a synth like this
And the synth with this feature I know was never released: the Vermona Mephisto.

I just sent an email to Amos at Moog as a more formal request, who knows maybe we will see it in the future OS revision.

Better ask the man who did all the Voyager software:
Rudi Linhard (info at the domain lintronics point de)

he is not a Moog Music employee, but the best Moog repairman on this side of the Atlantic and the one behind the LAMM and the maker of only Bob Moog approved Minimoog Midi interface.

Bumping this Zombie Thread to the fore. I'd love to have a pass-through mode on the Voyager.

When playing live and having switched through a bunch of presets, it is a bit of a drag and disruptive to have a filter, or other obvious function, jump to a point just because you've turned the knob. I often like to subtly modulate the filter by hand at parts and it always jumps immediately when it first senses movement/parameter-change. If I change presets within a song (often) then I'm faced with this every time that I go from verse/chorus/etc.

Any chance of having a Through/Null mode option implemented?

You know, this is something that has never bothered me. If you can tell about where the filter might be just by listening to the patch when you call up a preset, if the pot is at the polar opposite then you can do a very fast tweak and make that part of the performance. This is easier with the filter but much different if you are talking about the LFO in regards to pitch or something.

Eric

Well, it is a nuisance for me. I'm happy to hear that it doesn't disrupt your particular workflow.

However, it's not just filter freq., mind you. It's every parameter in a patch. Part of having a performance instrument is live tweaking. Hence, the oh-so-bitchin' knob-to-parameter ratio.

If I'm using Osc 3 as an LFO, using the dedicated LFO & whole host of other things at the same time, including a modulated filter, plus the VX-351 to do some fun stuff, there can (and are) several 'jumps' in the course of one verse or chorus as I manipulate different parameters in order to get some motion in the ocean of the song.

Pass-Through-Mode would end any discussion of the pros v. cons... it would just work.

It's a performance-oriented instrument (unlike my lovely Evolver) and it is the core of my setup (unlike my lovely Evolver). Part of having a performance oriented instrument is that you can just perform for the sake of the song and the audience. Within the course of a song -that is being performed on stage- I literally do not have the time or inclination to listen and then guess as to where a potentiometer may be set to physically vs. virtually. There is a lot going on & a lot of patch-changing within one song, including using the Voyager as a master controller for the laptop synths & the aforementioned Evolver. Imagine changing patches 4, or more, times during a song. And live-tweaking each of those patches. Obviously, the pots are never pointing to their actual setting between patch changes.

Again, a Pass-Through-Mode would just make it work.

Not a complaint; simply a feature request in the hope of making this White-washed bad-ass even better.

Yeah those are some excellent points.

Would the software librarian work for you in this instance until they resolved the issue? For instance, being able to record your entire performance to Midi and let the computer make all of the changes for you in real time?

Just a thought...


Eric

EricK wrote:Yeah those are some excellent points.

Would the software librarian work for you in this instance until they resolved the issue? For instance, being able to record your entire performance to Midi and let the computer make all of the changes for you in real time?

Just a thought...


Eric

I don't have that problem on my Old School !! Ha, just kidding.

But seriously folks, I have a Lil' Phatty and have to say that the manner in which this has been implemented cannot be beat but of course the LP leverages larger and what must be very expensive pots.

But a software feature that simple ignore the first 'fast' change in any knob that occurred over the duration of a 250ms whereby the opposite pole (0 or 10) was moved to at which point the display could show the value as currently stored in prescision mode numerically plus the current AND graphically depict the knob with this valu and where it is presently, giving you the opportunity to get them to match.

Another mode which is also implemented in the LP is to allow the changing of the knob to gradually move a value in the proper direction averaging the diff between the two slowly until the far pole is reached.

If you have not played around with an LP, you should drop into a Sam Ash or Guitar Center and check it out. It's quite a piece of engineering.