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After drooling over all of Dr Moog's "tools for musicians" for years, I finally bought a theremin with CV outputs, and, shortly after, came into an unexpected line of credit that financed the purchase of a beautiful select series voyager. I plan to buy the VX-351 (along with the hard case, dust cover, hold & exp pedals) and eventually the lot of foogers, but my question is this...

Is there any advantage to purchasing the cp-251 before the rest of the foogers?

I play guitar and bass as well as keys, so I am anxious to build my fooger collection, but being new to modular synthesis, I'm a bit confused by the cp-251. Would it be worth learning how that box works with the voyager before adding the rest of the madness?

I hear soup is good food. I'll post my review on that later...

No. Buy Foggers first.

CP-251 is awesome... if you don't' have a Voyager but do have MoogerFoogers; or it's awesome if you want a centerpiece for a pseudo-modular, or it's awesome to take on the road if you just want some control capabilities for other CV gear.

Common functions between the VX-351 and CP-251 include mults and attenuators but obviously, the Voyager will output LFO in addition to Noise waveform and Sample & Hold. Plenty to get you started.

Considering the price of a CP (unless you get a good deal on a used one), I'd go for a Ring modulator or maybe save up for one of the more expensive pedals that will make a sonic statement like the Analog delay.

If you think you'll be spending time with your guitar and no synth; then maybe you'll want it earlier rather than later. The Voyager is not them most portable instrument if you only need basic functions : )

Check this video if you have not seen it prior; forget about Jordan's piece, Brian's demo is very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7VuwP3D ... =endscreen

Pretty much as EM said, with a little difference maybe.

You got lots of CV inputs on the Voyager. You can do some stuff with the CP-251 and its built in LFO. A LFO based stereo panner controlled with an expression pedal comes to mind. A few other interesting modulation effects with the lag, lfo, S&H.

Talking guitars, it all depends on what you want to do, but I consider the MF-101/MF104M the two most essential foogers for guitar and bass players. Best used as a pair for guitar. MF-101 alone will do wonder for bass players.

Thanks for the responses guys. Just received my Voyager today, and I think this will be plenty to keep me busy for a good while, but I'm looking forward to seeing how crazy I can make it once I get a basic grip on the mother board

I think there's no difference to buy some Foogers or the CP-251 first. The thing is, if you have no idea of what kind of sound you like to do, it makes no sense to buy anything. More gear doesn't make better sounds. First you must know what's your goal, then you can buy the right tools. The MoogerFoogers and the CP-251 are all powerful devices, indeed Cheers.

What you might want to consider is buying a fooger and the cp251 rather than the vx351. I'd evaluate whether or not you need the cv outs on the voyager vs more audio and cv mangling of the voyager.

The CP really shines if you have at least 2 Foogers to utilize together. The Voyager/Vx combo isn't really wonderful without other stuff to control, since the Voyager's outputs will only modulate the inputs, which is a bit redundant since you already have panel routings for those things with a few exceptions.

So, since it sounds as if you will have a few foogers in the future, and the cp/vx units, I think I'd have to know what other instruments you may have or what you plan on doing with all this gear to really help you gauge your best purchase.

The Delay really beefs up just about whatever you run through it.
The Ringmod really adds some wonderful textures and can be used as an additional osc with the CP once you get the vx in there.

Without knowing anything about what other instruments you have I'd recommend the CP/102 combo. I think that is your most versatile right now IF that is the sound you are after. Order the Moogerfooger training dvd or watch it on youtube to guide you.

If you really start liking the semi-modular stuff, and you start out with the cp and 102, a great addition to that would be the Freqbox and the Vx. The 107 and CP by itself can really do a whole lot and it is almost like you have an extra mod buss and "voice" and added to the 102 and vx you have two oscs that you can externally control.

It really starts to get out of hand at this point.

Good luck!

Here is and example of the kind of time wasting knob twisting fun you can expect
And Arp on my Voyager XL twisted up just right with a bunch of patch panel modulation


http://soundcloud.com/phattcharlie/sounds-from-saturday

IMHO, it doesn't really matter which Fooger you get before or after the CP-251. What does matter is that you don't buy too many too fast and become overwhelmed with all the options and thus never learn anything very well at all. If you start with one Fooger and a CP-251, it will be very limited as to what you can do with it. That's the good part... you'll become rather adept at being able to do a lot with just very little. Having all the modules at once gets in the way of learning any of them well. Once you've got the CP-251 plus several Foogers, you might want to look into a MP-201 to really get things going crazy.

Stephen




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You all are great. After owning this thing for a week, I'm surprised this thread didn't get flamed into oblivion.

One simple thing (or so I thought) that I'm trying to do right now is to apply the LFO to the volume, either with a fade-in or controllable by the mod wheel or pressure... Basically just a way to slide in some tremolo here and there...

I've gotten pretty familiar with the mod busses (still somewhat confused), and I've been poking around at the pot mapping, but I can't figure it out...

It was something I used a lot in performance with my trusty old jp-8000... But I don't perform right now, and I'm really just trying to build a mad modular noise lab to play with... I don't have any solid direction

I'm not new to synthesizers by any means, but I am in a new world here, and the Voyager has already got me spinning out without any help from the add-ons... It may be a minute before I get my head above water