Moog Music Forum

Hello

I play both keyboard and guitar and have recently started looking into purchasing MoogerFooger pedals. One of my biggest influences (sonically) is Nine Inch Nails. My primary interest is creating weird, original sounds.

I figure that the MF-All-In-One kit would be a good place to start. Please let me know if this is a good idea.

Also, I am completely ignorant when it comes to voltage controlled devices and analog effects. Could somebody please explain what CV is and how I could use it with the MF kit; and what the expression pedal does and can control.



Thanks,
Dylan

Hey Dylan. I'm a guitarist. The Moogers would be good for weird sounds. I would have to say that the delay pedal would be an awesome addition. If you can't afford the delay then find an Akai Headrush or Line 6 Echo Pro or DL4. But the MF 104 delay would be incredible and do a better job. My favorite pedals for guitar would be the MF 101 Low Pass filter and the MF 102 Ring Modulator. For what you are looking for the MF 102 is essential. In fact the 102 and 104 would be the best combo for what you are looking for (in my opinion),

CV is control voltage. There are phone jacks in the back of each pedal that send out CV and some that receive CV. To simplify what it is: CV is variable low voltages. The variation of the voltage can be controlled by knobs on the pedals (or even an outside source such as the CP251). Some CV is cyclical (slow saw or plulse waves) and some are shaped by an envelope. CV is like little hands that turn the different knobs on the pedals, and you can use the CV out of one pedal to control a control knob on a different pedal. A better explanation is in the manual for any of the pedals, and that can be downloaded from the Moog website.

An expression pedal is another way to vary the CV.

I hope this helps you out.

The Phaser MF103 is really good for guitar...don't be fooled by it being just a phaser, this pedal can get really crazy too....It also sounds really good with an overdrive or distortion. Check out the samples from the moog website, they have samples for all the pedals and this might give you an idea of the power behind the MF's. Especially check out the CP251 samples, so you get a feel of what you can do with the CV modulations.

Peace

for guitar, the MURF is out of control.
So is the Ring Mod. Ring Mod better for illmatic wicked distortion, tremolos, getting gong-like sounds... MURF is just plain awesomely weird, absurd sounds, yet extremely useful & musical.

my $.02

You all have been extremely helpful. If anyone else has input, please feel free to post.

I think I'm going to end up getting the 3-pedal kit and adding additional pedals (MurF, Delay) in the future.

DylanRE,

I'm definitely a big fan of the moogerfoogers and they will give you amazing sounds with your guitar. I recommend the CP-251 as well. I use them with the Voyager and they are great effects.

I looked in the September 2005 issue of Keyboard magazine which has a featured article on NIN. They have a couple of pictures of the setup they currently use and they use an Analog Solutions French Connection, an Access Virus C, several Analog Systems modules, a Korg Kaoss pad, and a Sherman Filterbank. So maybe the Sherman is something you may want to look into as well.

Lengai wrote:DylanRE,

I'm definitely a big fan of the moogerfoogers and they will give you amazing sounds with your guitar. I recommend the CP-251 as well. I use them with the Voyager and they are great effects.

I looked in the September 2005 issue of Keyboard magazine which has a featured article on NIN. They have a couple of pictures of the setup they currently use and they use an Analog Solutions French Connection, an Access Virus C, several Analog Systems modules, a Korg Kaoss pad, and a Sherman Filterbank. So maybe the Sherman is something you may want to look into as well.

Lengai,

I've read the article you are referring to. While I did say NIN was a big influence, I'm not really trying to "copy" their sound. The thing that I find most interesting about NIN is the original sounds, effects, etc. they use- this is what I'm interested in: making weird, original sounds- not copying somebody elses.

I hope you understand what I mean.

DylanRE,

I agree. I wasn't saying not to get the moogerfoogers. They are great effects and can make very weird sounds. I think the 102, 103 or 105 would provide the weirdest sounds. The delay alone can have a dramatic effect on your sounds so I actually recommend them all. If you do decide to go with them, the 251 will help you do a lot with the MFs. I don't remember what post it was in, but another guitarist posted a picture of his MFs and a 251 that he used for controlling them. You may be able to find some helpful info or send him a message if you can find that post. It was about a month or so ago.

As for NIN, I was giving you info on the gear they use, that's all. I own gear that some of my favorite groups use, but I don't copy them either. The best way to get a particular type of sound is to own the same gear, but to create new music with it. I've been amazed many times at the difference in sounds I come up with and a fellow musician comes up with using the same exact synth.