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Hey I just got my new MF-104SD.

Sounds great.

Two improvements over the original(that I wil still love/keep) are:

1. The FEEDBACK now works as a 'hold' control so you can make loops when you max out the pot.

2. The LONG/SHORT switch works as a 1 octive up/down switch. So you can jump up or down from your infinite loops. Very cool feature that I wished the original could of done.

Is there anything you like better in the old one, than on the SD?

Like warmth??? What are you talking about????

That's not an issue. It still has all the features of my original but with the bonus of better fidelity and longer delay time.

i think that as time flows on there will be people out there that will prefer one particular 104 to another, i like using very short delay times (but not all the time you understand) so in that particular aspect the original 104 comes out on top followed by the z and the sd is last, but in long delays the original is last and the sd comes out on top leaving the z in the middle again

short time
1 mf 104
2 mf 104 z
3 mf 104 sd

long time
1 mf 104 sd
2 mf 104 z
3 mf 104

features (like all the cv and feeback loop stuff)
= mf 104 mf 104z mf 104 sd

sound quality
= mf 104 sd mf 104z (as far as we can tell)
2mf 104

the octave thing with, that's a really cool feature and i think that main thing that i would prefer about the sd (hope the z also does this)

maybe the fact that the numbers of the z are so easy to work with 50-500 100-1000
might make that preferable to some, who knows

At the lowest setting in the LONG mode the 104SD produces TOTAL rockabilly slapback delay. Slapback for dummys. In the SHORT delay mode again adjusted for minimum amount of delay the SD gives you nice bathroom reverb with the feedback up somewhat but not all the way.

I can't imagine anyone who is actually using one of these to care about any "numbers" or how many MS are involved. This is more of a feel instrument.

sir_dss wrote:Like warmth??? What are you talking about????

I know It has the same features...I mean the sound

With more playing and listening to the 140SD it seems to sound very close to the original when I play them back to back.

I am using a Rickenbacker 330, Les Paul, or Jazzmaster into just a small, very clean Kalamazoo Model 1 class A tube amp. George L's cables.

The 104SD may have just a little more grit after several repeat cycles. Grit meaning sound like bit rate distortion.

The longer setting do sound similar to the Blacet Time Machine.

Man I think I'll be happy just to have a Moog delay. People seem to like them so much. I can't wait to try out the Z. I hope I'm not disappointed. I'm happy that Moog made new ones. I hope I don't start feeling disappointed for not having an SD. . . .better to have 1000ms instead of 0

ps: somebody needs to post some clips

i have 2 orig mf 104 and i have always run the loop out of the first into the second delay w/ my second delays mix all the way to the delayed sound and its input back into my first one....... cool, although needs to be played with sometimes to get it just right, but worth it, if this is possible for you it is worth a try

you can make loops with the original, just dont turn the feedback all the way up.
the short/long switch works lika an octave switch on my 104 (have 2)