Moog Music Forum

Greetings... first off, my sympathy to the Moog family, the world lost a great man...

This is my first post, so I hope a similar question hasn't been asked already.

I LOVE my moogerfoogers... the only thing about them I *don't* like is the lack of true bypass, which makes it impossible to get a clean sound if the drive knob is set anywhere beyond 10 o clock... right now I have no clean because the sample & hold is a big part of my sound, and I can't get the samples to trigger properly without the MF-101 drive knob set just shy of 3 o clock...

Here's how it's setup/wired : the MF-101 envelope out is being sent to the S+H input, and the S&H output 1 is being sent to the MF-101 cutoff in jack. Cutoff is set to about 1 o clock, amount is 0, and resonance is 8. When the drive is at 3 o clock and I have my pre-MF-101 distortion kicked in, I get a great sample & hold sound. But I want to bring my MF-101 drive down to around 10 o lock, and I can't seem to get ANY decent triggering at that level. It seems like the envelope just isn't powerful enough to trigger the sampling... any ideas? I tried sending the envelope out to the CP four-way, and when I manually turn the offset knob, I get my ideal sound even with the drive knob set to minimum...

Is there any way to automate the increase/decrease of the offset voltage?

Also, if I set the cutoff to 12 o clock, and the drive at 9 o clock, with the offset set completely counterclockwise I also get a decent sample + hold sound, but I have to hit the strings EVER so lightly or else there are gaps of silence.

Sorry if theis is disjointed or confusing, but I have to rush to get to work. I'll check periodically while I'm there for responses, or if anybody has any questions because I was unclear. Thanks for your help,

-Ryan

Still have no clue what to do... anybody out there at least know what I'm talking about? Any suggestions?

Does anybody else use the CP and Mf-101 together for sample & hold? What do you use to achieve the best effect?

Does anybody use the CP sample & hold with a different VCF with better results? Should I just bite the bullet and get a zvex ooh wah to get this sound without dirtying my bypassed signal? Thanks,

-Ryan

I really can't answer your S/H problem as I don't have a CP, but I might have an answer for your true bypass problem.

I'm not a guitarist but it seems to me you just need a bypass box, such as these:
http://www.loop-master.com/catalog/index.php

I'm not sure I follow exactly what you're trying to do, but It sounds like you want the S&H to trigger with each new note. The envelope isn't the best trigger source.

Unless you have other equipment that will send a positive voltage when any sound is detected, i.e., a trigger detector, your best bet might be using the offset on the mixer to boost the level of the envelope out. The S&H is only looking for a +1V signal as a trigger, so with the offset and master cranked up, that should be more than enough to trigger the S&H even at lower playing volumes.

Hope that makes sense & helps.

Mike Fun

Basically I want the sample-and-hold to continue as a note is sustained (which works fine with the drive on the MF-101 cranked). I leave the master cranked, but with the offset voltage placed anywhere above 10 o clock I get no sample-and-hold whatsoever. The weirdest part is, if I manually turn the offset voltage knob, I get a PERFECT sample & hold sound. Anybody know why this is?

Increasing the drive on the pre-MF-101 distortion pedal stops triggering the S&H properly, so I'm thinking that I need some sort of clean volume boost between the distortion and the LPF. I'm just so confused by the behavior of the control processor sample & hold... it seems like it should have more automated controlling available.

I wish I could avoid an A/B box, but thanks for the suggestion. I might have to resort to that in the long run.

-Ryan