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Can anybody let me know if it is possible to use the insert from the voyager for the mf104z and still get the decaying delays when i take my finger off the keyboard?, I mean is there any way other than connecting the delay to an outboard mixer or simply attaching the mono output of the voyager to it?
i have a feeling it is just the nature of the the voyager to totally cut all sound once a key is not being pressed for the connection from the filter to the amp to disconnect, am i right?

I am wondering this as well...

Modeerf, I was very unsure you meant this in your other thread.


The insert loop of the Voyager is located between the mixer output and the filter input. What happens with your set up? (I suppose the connections are ok here) When you press a key, the VCA/VCF envelopes are triggered, i.e. open to let the signal through.

When no insert cable is inserted, the said signal is the output of the mixer consisting in the oscillators + external input + noise. But you have to be aware that the oscillators, noise generator and possibliy the external input are permanently running; you can hear them when you press a key only because you open the envelope by pressing a key.

When an insert cable is inserted, the mixer output is sent in the MF-104 or whatever you connected, permanently. That is: if you monitor the signal going out from the MF-104, you'll hear the oscillators droning and echoing. Then when you press a key, that's precisely what you let through.

Setting the VCA on ON rather than KEYBOARD won't help: everything is still free running in to your MF-104.

As a consequence, don't expect to hear any echo after you released a key unless the envelopes (VCA and VCF) have loooong release. Globally, what this is likely to produce (I don't have a Voyager [yet ] ) is echoes only while you are playing a note, or a delayed superposition of oscillators and noise drones.

The thing about a delay pedal, in my opinion, is the idea of emphasizing what you have already played when you AREN'T playing. Since an oscillator runs constantly when power is applied, it is delaying a constant signal. Running the delay in the mixout/filter in jack doesn't have much of an effect. Surely not the effect you might be thinking anyway. Mostly, it just makes oscs sound slightly fuller and somewhat muffled.

You can get a chorus type sound, but not much of one, but this can vary depending on your program.

The 104z has a somewhat limited frequency range, and the echoes are often dark. When this goes through a second LPF it becomes darker.

Really, this is a subjective opinion, but it's just better to use after the vca.

My two pisos.


I do own a Voyager and a 104z and have tried this, and I wasn't that impressed. I got the same impression with the phaser. You have to change the way your ADSR setting are and how you play the keyboard to really explore it, since the effect is lost when you release the key.