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Hi all (first post),

I have owned a Voyager select for nearly 2 years now and I wanted to hear other people's opinions on the Voyager's amp envelope. Ever since I have had it, I have found the the click on the lower attack settings is really obtrusive when the filter (in LP) is more closed (imagine for the sake of argument that there is no filter envelope amount). I find it difficult to get the right balance if I want a soft but attacky sound (usually for basses): having the attack too low makes an unpleasant click, but raising it to a point where the click is at a good level seems to lose some of the punch that I am trying to get out of it. It also seems somewhat inconsistent to me (though I've no idea why this should be). Comparing it to my Model D, the older board's envelope sound much better to my ears. You can get it to sound punchy at all filter settings and the amount of click feels very right. I often set up sounds with the filter opening as the velocity increases, but at the moment I often resort to using the pot mapping to increase the attack time at lower velocites which doesn't always give the best results (since for a reason unknown to me, you can only program amounts of 0, 25, 50 and 100%?!), and it also feels like an unnecessary workaround, and a waste of a pot mapping slot.

I searched these boards and couldn't see anything immediately relating to this topic, so it may be that I'm alone in feeling this, or it may even be a fault with my Voyager, but I would be interested to know what others think.

Thanks.

Get the click to good level and boost eq around 6khz to 12 khz.

Hi 8875, welcome to the Moog Music Forum

Your Voyager is not faulty. It is just a fact of physics – any fast envelope amplitude (volume) transients will cause what is perceived as clicks, and as you have noticed, these clicks are more evident with bass patch sounds that don’t have very much high harmonic content. Fast attack settings are not the only cause of clicks. With an ADSR EG, fast decay and release settings can also cause clicks.


Here is a tip to eliminate EG clicks in bass patches while keeping a fast attack and “punch” sound:

Use the filter cutoff EG to “gate” the sound. Set the (low pass) filter cutoff freq below the lowest note fundamental and then set the filter EG sustain and amount to open the filter up when a note is played. In this case set the volume EG attack to faster and the decay and the release to slower settings. Even the fastest filter EG attack settings should not produce bad clicks. Adjust the volume EG decay and sustain settings (and even the filter cutoff EG decay and sustain) for the amount of “punch” desired. This should work with any synth that uses a low pass filter.

Brilliant!! i just got a Voyager XL Tolex, and I have been really loving the tone, but not the clicky envelope. This trick is Brilliant. It's basically using the filter envelope like a low pass gate, right? Thanks so much.

justinmelland wrote: ...This trick is Brilliant. It's basically using the filter envelope like a low pass gate, right?...

Exactly

Congratulations on getting that Voyager.

Great tip indeed, thanks again for sharing

Hi,

I was searching four hours and then the clicking was the sidechain. Aaaaaaaaaah. (Shaperbox)

(And, I remembered this happened to me twice Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, how stupiiiiid !)

Hope it helps someone.

BR
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Thanks for sharing that too