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What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:48 pm
by ahagerty
Hi

To all the lucky owners of Voyager XLs out there....I am sure I speak for most of the visitors to this forum when I say 'Let us hear some of the unique sounds your Voyager XL can make.....please!' :-) I would love to hear some of the patches you have made with all those extra sound shaping abilities the XL has.

Have any XL owners uploaded some samples of their new monster in action? youtube, soundcloud, etc?

Cheers

Andy

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:38 pm
by The Analog Organist
I would expect that the most outstanding effect the Voyager XL would have on synthesizer music would come, not from the parameters, but from the keyboard size. Solo playing will certainly make use of the effects that only a five-octave range will allow.

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:11 am
by aerophone
Dear Organist,

Connect a 88 midi keyboard and that's it. The difference should be in something else!

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:14 pm
by ahagerty
A large controller keyboard would allow you to do the same thing with a standard Voyager though.

I am thinking more along the lines of what sounds can the Voyager XL make that the Voyager can't?

Come on XL owners, post your sounds that you have made using the patchbay so we can hear them! :-)

Cheers

Andy

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:53 pm
by Unfiltered
the XL is like the Cadillac Escalade XL, big, flashy, and prohibitively expensive.

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:22 am
by cdx
So glad to see that topic.What makes my XL so special is that I woke up this morning,turned this GENIUS on ,it was dumb.No sound out of it . :D EXTREMELY REFRESHING for this great morning :D.And a big THANK YOU to Moog.YOU ARE GREAT!CHEERS!

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:34 am
by filtered
er- will an xl owner please post up something, or are our xl owners buying them just cuz they look cool? i like my pudding with proof in it! haha

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:29 am
by namahshaman
agreed. I'm still debating on whether to get the Voyager or the XL in May, and I'd love to hear what the XL can do that sets it apart. Does it really offer that much more if you already have a CP-251, VX-351, and ribbon controller for your standard Voyager?

Come on guys . . . give us some sounds :)

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:38 am
by stiiiiiiive
ahagerty wrote:What makes your XL so special?
It stops existing as soon as I wake up. :wink:

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:24 pm
by analogmadness
namahshaman wrote:agreed. I'm still debating on whether to get the Voyager or the XL in May, and I'd love to hear what the XL can do that sets it apart. Does it really offer that much more if you already have a CP-251, VX-351, and ribbon controller for your standard Voyager?
I think thats the 1.000.000$ question there, i'd also like to know more about the extra's. Some demo's on youtube but only a few.
Here in europe a xl set you back 4699€
http://www.thomann.de/be/moog_voyager_xl.htm
thats like 6222$ and thats allot of money for the working guy's hobby.
So bring em on :D

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:45 pm
by Voltor07
I don't own one, but I can list the reasons why I want one...

1) Value. Even if I bought a Voyager, ribbon controller, VX351, and CP251 it would add up to more than the going price and still not have 61 keys.

2) It has 61 keys.

3) It's a VOYAGER with 61 keys.

4) I like big heavy synthesizers, and this thing is MASSIVE.

5) Ribbon controller, VX351, CP251 AND touch pad...do you know how much modulation that adds up to? A lot.

Just MHO.

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:30 am
by namahshaman
Voltor07 wrote:I don't own one, but I can list the reasons why I want one...

1) Value. Even if I bought a Voyager, ribbon controller, VX351, and CP251 it would add up to more than the going price and still not have 61 keys.

2) It has 61 keys.

3) It's a VOYAGER with 61 keys.

4) I like big heavy synthesizers, and this thing is MASSIVE.

5) Ribbon controller, VX351, CP251 AND touch pad...do you know how much modulation that adds up to? A lot.

Just MHO.
:lol: When I got to number 3, I laughed pretty loud and my coworkers all stared at me. Excellent points. Guess I'm just trying to talk myself the other way since that means saving a little less money, which means less time until there's a Voyager sitting in front of me. Thing is, I already have a ribbon controller and a CP-251 . . . so I'd save a little money, even if I still had to get the VX-351. I'd just be missing the 61 keys, but damnit you're right, "It's a VOYAGER with 61 keys."

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm
by Voltor07
Let's say the XL is $5k USD. That's 5k/300, which is one Moog Financial Unit. Comes out to 16 MFU's and some change. Surely you can justify that. :wink:

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:43 pm
by namahshaman
Ah yes, when you put it in terms of MFU's it really does seem practical. Let the saving commence . . . or, continue rather. :D

Re: What makes your XL so special?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:29 pm
by Cpt Beardheart
Hi,

Kinda new here, and not a Moog expert by any measure. I don't even own a Voyager yet (though I did order one recently). But I have been researching this exact topic, and this is my impression.

The Voyager XL is not an entirely different instrument than the regular Voyager. And if you add in the CP-251 and the VX-351, you really are something like 95% of the way two having an XL, in terms of capabilities. So it's not that an XL makes sounds that are just clearly and obviously different from anything a standard Voyager can make. It's more about what you want or plan to do and how much time you want to spend setting it up vs playing it.

So, one obvious difference is more keys. Which of course you can get with a bigger controller.

Another obvious difference is the patch points. Which of course you can get with the CP-251 and VX-351.

There's the ribbon controller, but you can get a 3rd party ribbon MIDI controller.

Another apparent difference which I have read about (though hard to verify) is that the XL has additional parameters for LFO2. You can read another person explaining this in the 7th post in this thread on another forum: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... 351-a.html

The XL isn't backlit like the Electric Blue and Select series, so I guess you could call that a point against the XL. Unless you're going with the Performer Edition. And if money is a big concern, you're probably looking at the Performer Editiion, so in a way that point is kind of moot.

But think about all that. You're comparing one monolithic unit compared to a synth + larger controller, + two add-on modules (probably including a rack and rack cabinet unless you want them laying on a desk or something) which also involves the interface cable for the 351 + an additional ribbon controller, and 2 or three power cables (not sure if the VX-351 has it's own power or sucks it in through the interface cable). That's just a lot of stuff. Not so bad if you plan to set it up in a studio or a bedroom and leave it all alone. Not so bad if you already own the controllers and rack cabinet and stuff. Though even still, it takes up more room and is harder to move around.

So, the Voyager + add-on route gives you everything the XL has except (supposed, unverified by me) extra parameters on LFO2.

The XL route gives you everything except the cool colored back lighting (unless you're looking at a Performer edition).

Personally, I had shopped everything out so that I had a shopping cart with a Voyager Select, CP-251, VX-351, the rack for those two modules, a 4U rack cabinet to contain them, a stand, a second tier for the stand to rest the cabinet on, a Furman to power all of that stuff, a bench to sit on, a patch cable set, the expression pedal and the FS-1 footswitch. Basically, a from-scratch piecemeal Voyager rig in one shopping cart, and it was $400 less than buying the XL.

Then they announced the $500 off sale for the XL this month. That turned everything upside down. So I just ordered the XL. Don't need the patch cables because the XL comes with a set. Don't need the Furman because the XL only needs one outlet. Don't need the rack or cab. The on-sale XL with stand and bench is about the same price as everything I had selected before. Take money out of the equation and it becomes a decision about convenience and simplicity. Clearly the XL is going to be a lot easier to set up and move than the Voyager + add-ons.

So, if you're not able to buy during the sale, then the question is about whether or not it's worth the extra money to just plug & play. For me it wasn't worth it, until they lowered the price. Now it is. :)

All that being said, I expect it would be very difficult to point to a specific sound and say "That. That right there is what the XL gives you." At the end of the day, you can only get back-lighting from select and Electric Blue Voyagers. And you can only get the (again, unverified) additional LFO2 parameters from the XL. Everything else is attainable in various other ways.

Also, if I were a gigging musician, and my music was the kind that I needed to do patching and stuff like that on stage, I would absolutely want the XL, just so I could have one instrument, one case, and everything all in one unit. If my music just needed sweet synth sounds, and I didn't need or want to fiddle with patch cables on stage, I'd definitely go with the regular Voyager, so I would still have one instrument in one case, but it would be smaller and lighter.

So, basically I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Like everything else. :)