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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:53 pm
by superd2112
panamabirthcanal wrote:I hate to burst the bubble, but polysynths are not the future and are only a regression.... I bet if you did a clinical study on men who want a polyphonic Moog, you would find a correlation with susceptibility to penis enlargement ads. People don't be sheep and fall in to the traps that corporate America sets for us.
We get it - you prefer mono synths, & to each his own, but your posts on the subject are starting to go beyong mere opinion & are verging on an all-out rant, and its starting to sound suspiciously like trollspeak. Have you ever spent time on a Prophet, Andromeda, OBX or MemoryMoog? Almost any open-minded musician would find near-endless uses for these machines.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:59 pm
by EricK
panamabirthcanal wrote: I bet if you did a clinical study on men who want a polyphonic Moog, you would find a correlation with susceptibility to penis enlargement ads.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:12 pm
by The Analog Organist
Warning! Warning! Grab your children and run!
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:14 pm
by Kevin Lightner
Geez, this is getting silly.
Ever seen a one string guitar?
A one note piano?
Polyphony is desirable by both sexes.
Perhaps you can read into why Bob called his pedals "Moogerfoogers" and assign some sort of agenda?
Why not consider that it takes a LOT of money to make a good Poly and Moog wants to study things?
They have roughly 30 years of previous poly synths already out there and need to make something decent, not just another poly with the Moog name slapped on it.
They just can't afford to dump a bunch of dough into a bad instrument, especially in this economy.
I respect them for being cautious and doing their homework.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:18 pm
by panamabirthcanal
"We get it - you prefer mono synths, & to each his own, but your posts on the subject are starting to go beyong mere opinion & are verging on an all-out rant, and its starting to sound suspiciously like trollspeak. Have you ever spent time on a Prophet, Andromeda, OBX or MemoryMoog? Almost any open-minded musician would find near-endless uses for these machines."
Obviously you don't get it. With respect, you're not getting the jist of what I'm saying. Of course these instruments are useful. Of course a fairlight CMI is useful. And of course a polyphonic moog would be useful. But I agree with Robert Moog whose work is the reason we are even having this discussion. His view that you can infer from his work that analog synthesizers in their best form are monophonic, and a polyphonic synth is nothing more than an outdated trend. And whenever people take the negative route and criticize someone specifically instead of an idea or position you know they are relying on emotion rather than logic.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:22 pm
by The Analog Organist
Why don't you call Dave Smith Instruments and let them know that "a polyphonic synth is an outdated trend?" Be patient. They might be too busy to answer the phone.
As for Bob Moog's view on polyphonic synthesizers, whether or not he designed more than one of them, he did permit his company to produce a number of them.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:26 pm
by EricK
So you are going to say that anyone who wants a polyphonic Moog is lacking adequate genetalia and then play the victim when someone thinks that your behavior is approaching that of a troll?
And invoke Bob at the same time???
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:33 pm
by panamabirthcanal
Certain instruments will always stand the test of time. The DX7 was wildly popular in its day. It had full polyphony. Anyone want to buy mine for $300? Probably not. DSI instuments have not been around for very long. Will they stand the test of time? Who knows, but probably not. George Duke probably had every synthesizer known to man given to him, but does he play his Prophet 5 any more? No but you do see him with his Model D. My views are related not to just synths but music in general. And if anyone has studied both Western Classical and Indian Classical music wants to discuss harmony with me please do. Moog is so much better than anything else out there, and they have had the capability build a better poly than anyone out there, but my guess is that they want to stay true to Dr. Moog's legacy, which if I remember correctly did not include a mass produced polysynth.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:36 pm
by superd2112
EricK wrote:So you are going to say that anyone who wants a polyphonic Moog is lacking adequate genetalia and then play the victim when someone thinks that your behavior is approaching that of a troll?
And invoke Bob at the same time???
Good point Eric. I'm wondering if panamabirthcanal has other names he goes by - maybe "yeti", "Kimber", "Better than Voltor", "Loosendokeys"? Hmm..
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:38 pm
by panamabirthcanal
EricK wrote:So you are going to say that anyone who wants a polyphonic Moog is lacking adequate genetalia and then play the victim when someone thinks that your behavior is approaching that of a troll?
And invoke Bob at the same time???
No not lacking, but perceived lacking, and there's a world of difference. If you can't see that it's your fault not mine.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:38 pm
by The Analog Organist
Could we please quit the crotch theme here? The initial comment was enough to make us nervous. Back to music.
What would you like to discuss regarding western classical music? Would you like to claim that polyphony is an outdated trend? Perhaps you'd like to offer the world a monophonic arrangement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony?
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:46 pm
by Subtronik
panamabirthcanal wrote:I bet if you did a clinical study on men who want a polyphonic Moog, you would find a correlation with susceptibility to penis enlargement ads.
Wtf? Kind of a douchebag thing to say.
Also, can you please break up your single long paragraphs? They're annoying.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:47 pm
by panamabirthcanal
The Analog Organist wrote:What would you like to discuss regarding western classical music? Would you like to claim that polyphony is an outdated trend?
Not at all, and you know I don't, that's absurd. In Indian classical music, the idea/theory of polyphony does not exist, but polyphony is inherently there in the music. Like in Western theory they don't conceive of every little overtone or undertone in every note, but resonance is an important part of the music. Indian Classical music is where Western music came from as all European peoples came from Indo-European cultures, like our languages all stem from Proto-Indo-European, and Most Indian people are caucasoid like Europeans.
And monosynths are really similar to Indian Classical instruments, like a Sarangi or Sarod or Sitar. Very Rich in single monophony, but a synth uses oscillators and filters instead of main strings and sympathetic strings. And Indian Classical Music is melody-based as is a monosynth. A Moog is a revolutionary product in the history of music as a whole, and polysynths are a tangential byproduct. Sorry to all those who own polysynths, but please at least consider my view.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:49 pm
by panamabirthcanal
Subtronik wrote:panamabirthcanal wrote:I bet if you did a clinical study on men who want a polyphonic Moog, you would find a correlation with susceptibility to penis enlargement ads.
Wtf? Kind of a douchebag thing to say.
Also, can you please break up your single long paragraphs? They're annoying.
Wow. I have never tried to be mean here, just want an honest discussion. Sorry for that comment but it was supposed to be joking, and apparently we have gone past an amicable discussion to name calling.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:50 pm
by Kevin Lightner
analog synthesizers in their best form are monophonic
I agree. You can get the most control over one voice.
But that's a financial consideration, not some written-in-stone law.
and a polyphonic synth is nothing more than an outdated trend.
I completely disagree.
Anything that can be done to one note, can be done to several.
Since polyphony is considered (at least in the synth world) as 4 notes and above, costs will go up once you replicate voices.
There's no reason a polyphonic synth can't have an amazing amount of control and processing available.
The Andromeda proved it could be done and still be financially viable (IF the company is managed correctly.)
And while I don't see many top artists pull out a Juno 60 or whatever, samplers and other VA based synths,
that are polyphonic, have only increased in demand.
As circuitry gets smaller and cheaper, we will likely have polysynths that have far
more power than previous mono synths.
So what then?
It's up to the player as to how many notes he hits.
Is there anything wrong with playing a poly synth one note at a time?