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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:26 pm
by Voltor07
blutarsky wrote:I'm not sure this actually is a Moog (I think it is)... but this is by far one of the wickest tracks featuring a synth solo:

Larry Young - Turn Off The Lights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy80anGMwKQ

If anyone is SURE what this synth exactly is it 'd be really appreciated! :)
It's a Moog, alright. Might be a Minimoog. Or a small modular. The recording was 1975, so it could have even been a Micro. I'm no expert, but those would be my guesses. :wink:

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:07 pm
by Kevin Lightner
Sounds like a Mini.
I could be wrong, but the glide is different on the Moog modulars and a Micromoog only has one vco.
The first synth line *could* be a Micro, but it sounds more like a 4 octave interval with two vcos than it does the suboctaves of a Micro.
A guess anyways.

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:29 pm
by blutarsky
I have always thought it's a mini as well, but have never been sure about this... I have not made any deep research about this matter, even though it's been in the back of my mind for a long time... on the record's liner notes it's just stated he plays a "synth".

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:25 pm
by Paul Norheim
I am surprised no one have mentioned the early to mid seventies Manfred Mann records. He has his own unmistakeable, and very expressive playing style, completely different from Wakeman and Emerson.

Wakeman and Emerson feed your eyes; Manfred Mann feeds your ears. You would not fully appreciate what an Emerson or Wakeman show is about without seeing them perform. But you would not miss any essensial element by just listening to Manfred Mann`s "Waiter, There`s a Yawn in My Ear" on The Roaring Silence.

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:25 pm
by Paul Norheim
Wakeman and Emerson treat their Moogs more like pianos or organs with a lot of knobs, while Manfred Mann treats his Mini like a saxophone - much more expressive!

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:47 pm
by ColorForm2113
LeRoi wrote:
jamezdd73 wrote:I've never heard of Mort Garson before you mentioned him, but his stuff is great! Grab it while you can people!
Try to find Black Mass/Lucifer by Mort Garson. Every bit as amazing. There is of course his "Electronic Hair Pieces", which is quite fun, but not as out there.

I need to be kept from this thread, as I could go on for days with this stuff.
ive been searching for a copy of black mass lucifer for along time. and when i do find them on ebay i always end up losing it :x

my 1st intro to Moogs with out even knowing what synthesizers were at the time cuz i was like 6 or 7, was pink floyd "wish you were here". that album is just so mind blowing!!

as for modern moog essentials i like Joy electric, very poppy but good. every sound on the past 4 or 5 records where all done with just a voyager a dotcom sequencer and some foogers, and his voice. if you like synth pop check it out ---> http://www.myspace.com/joyelectric

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:55 pm
by Gamaliel
I've always had a soft spot for Manfred Mann,also The Zombies.Love Rod Argent's playing even tho he doesn't do much synth.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:42 am
by strata189
Been listening to Tomita's "Snowflakes Are Dancing" lately.
Very lovely stuff.
Also, what about Beck and Hammer on "Wired"? Wasn't that a Mini?

Randall

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:14 am
by mayidunk
You've got to give a listen to the Moog bassline on Stevie Wonder's Boogie On Reggae Woman, it is fantastic! :D

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:27 am
by Paul Norheim
Talking about Stevie Wonder and Moog synthesizers, I can`t resist pasting a rather lengthy, but very interesting quote from an interview with Bob Olhsson, working in the studio at Motown 40 years ago:

"When looking at your discography, there’s a radical change in there. You start doing an entirely different kind of music. Is this just where the work led you, or is this something that you wanted to do?

It’s really where the work led me coming out of Motown is, there’s no such thing as a home studio. I got bit by “Wow, we can actually afford to buy a 4-track!”when the Sony 854 came out and the 3340 TEAC the early home studio stuff. I wondered what would it be like to not be under time pressure and do recording because, of course at Motown, the clock was ticking and there was either tremendous pressure to get a release out or tremendous pressure in terms of - you know - $15,000 in salaries on a string session.
So it was a real dream, “Well, gee, what if you could do it at home and not have all that pressure, what could you come up with.” One of the early people that saw that possibility was a person who I met shortly after coming to the Bay area, Stephen Hill. He was an engineer at KQED, and he built a studio to record unusual acoustic and electronic music, because he was into it and I was into it, in that we’d had the second Moog modular synthesizer at Motown.

How did you guys get that?

Somebody sent Brian Holland an acetate of “A Day in the Life” long before it came out, and it pretty much blew everybody’s mind. It was radical enough when it came out, but if you can imagine hearing that almost, between six months and a year before it came out, it was really something.

Mike McLean had been familiar with Moog because he’d been writing up what he was doing in the AES journal. So they went out and bought a Moog modular synthesizer. Now, unfortunately the Moog modular synthesizer wasn’t stable enough to do the same thing twice in a row, and so it was pretty useless! (laughs)

I mean we kind of whacked away at it, trying to get something out of it. used it for some signal processing, a little bit. There was a lot of promise there but it is still absolutely amazing that Wendy Carlos was able to actually produce an album on that thing.

That’s true, yeah
It would never do the same thing twice, so you basically had to set it up, and record it, and keep recording until you lucked out and got what you wanted. At any rate, I’d had an interest in that, and everybody that’d been around Motown had an interest in that, and I’m sure that’s where Stevie got his interest in synthesizers also.

He does a unique thing with them. For one thing, it’s so involved in the bass lines without crowding anything.

Yes, he does. It’s been kind of frustrating to me to have people watch him and jump to conclusions about why he was doing what he was doing and try and duplicate it. Because Stevie is a musicologist. he knows everything that’s been done in American music since 1900 and the main reason he was playing all of his own parts was because he basically was putting together combinations of dead musicians.

You know, what would happen if so and so played this part and so forth. He has both the knowledge and the ability to emulate different people. I mean, it’s just an amazing, amazing ability, so everybody was real into encouraging him to play all his own parts and do all his own thing because if you were him, that was absolutely the best way to do it. But I have serious reservations about that being the best way for everybody else to do it.

Oh sure. And of course, he is unintentionally responsible for a lot of what’s wrong with modern soul music, because they emulate just the thinnest skin of it.

Yeah, and unfortunately, a lot of it is just plain economics. They can get paid the same amount if they use session players or if they do it all themselves, and its turned into being all hype. And I think it’s finally reached the point where it has become necessary to use so much hype that it isn’t a profitable industry anymore.

That’s one of the stultifying things about watching MTV, it’s so hyperbolic that you couldn’t possibly exaggerate it. It’s so meretricious, you couldn’t really explain it to someone who had never seen it.

Yeah, well it’s to the point where they’re really selling TV stars not music. Records are being made like movies and movies are being made like records!"

You can read the whole interview here:
http://www.prosoundweb.com/recording/ta ... o/olmo.php

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:33 am
by Kevin Lightner
No slam to you, Stevie or the interviewer, but I can't tell you how many times I've heard of someone supposedly having the 1st or 2nd Moog modular or whatever.
The truth can change a bit when it's recalled from 40 years before.
Here's some documented info and it may jive or not with this interview, but here it is:

A Day in the Life began recording on Jan 19, 1967.
The strings were recorded on Feb 10, 1967.
The album was released on June 1st 1967.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Life

Motown's Moog was purchased on Dec 4, 1967.
It was serial #28 (1028).

The Beatles Moog was shipped on Jan 15, 1969.
It was serial #95 (1095).

http://www.moogarchives.com/modular.htm

Also, there's a small typo on this list, but it's a name so I think it's important.
Serial #1007 was owned by Ralph Swickard, not Switchard.
I spoke to Ralph shortly before his death and helped in arranging a trade of gear for this Moog. (a IIC, if I recall)
Ralph told me that his Moog needed service very badly, but he expected to die within months.
I explained that I couldn't turn around his synth that quickly, but could trade him some analog gear that worked well.
Ralph replied that this was fine and that he "just wanted to play something on his way out."
His modular was then traded to a friend for several keyboard synths, SEMs, a 2600, etc.
This friend then brought me the synth for service and later sold it to Erik Norlander.
Ralph passed away shortly afterwards from throat cancer.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:11 am
by Mr Arkadin
Kevin Lightner wrote: Ralph told me that his Moog needed service very badly, but he expected to die within months.
I explained that I couldn't turn around his synth that quickly, but could trade him some analog gear that worked well.
Ralph replied that this was fine and that he "just wanted to play something on his way out."
[...]
Ralph passed away shortly afterwards from throat cancer.
In a weird way i find that a very uplifting story. The acceptance of death with the 'i'm going to carry on playing' attitude. Good on you Ralph. i hope i'm like that if i reach a similar stage in my life. Thanks for sharing that story.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:24 am
by Kevin Lightner
Thanks.
Ralph had a great attitude.
One had to listen very closely to him speak as his cancer had affected his throat badly.
But he definitely spoke in an uplifting way and didn't appear depressed at all.

Here's a 1997 obituary from Stanford University.
(Ralph said he had throat cancer and this says stomach cancer, but I don't think it's important in the grand scheme of things...)

Ralph Swickard, '42, Gr '52, of Los Angeles, February 14, at 86, of stomach cancer. While at Stanford, he played violin and viola in chamber music ensembles and the Stanford student orchestra, played French horn in the Stanford band, and was a member of the track and field team. After three years of service in World War II, he worked briefly in engineering in the Bay Area. He then moved to Southern California and helped produce a film about the Hollywood String Quartet, as well as The Trumpet, starring Rafael Mendez. He independently produced the documentary A Visit With Darius Milhaud, the composer with whom he later studied. He also composed music for dance and theater performances. During the 1970s, he taught electronic music at Santa Barbara City College and was an instructor of music theory at San Jose State U. From 1980 to 1994, he participated in the annual summer Adirondack Festival of American Music. In 1995, he produced the CD Milhaud in Midi and, in 1996, The Gregg Smith Singers Perform Choral and Vocal Music of Ralph Swickard. Survivors: two daughters, Daryl Swickard Russo and Claudine; and two grandchildren.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:24 am
by EricK
Man Id hate to be thinking, "Its death time, what do I do with my Moogs"

That, in my opinion is what hell is.

Eric

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:59 pm
by Voltor07
EricK wrote:Man Id hate to be thinking, "Its death time, what do I do with my Moogs"

That, in my opinion is what hell is.

Eric
I know, but unfortunately, when it's your time, it's your time, and you can't take them with you. I myself will donate my LP to the Moog Foundation. When I write my will, of course.