Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:54 pm
There's nothing digital in the OS, other than the keyboard controller, if I recall correctly. That's not the case with the standard Voyager.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:11 pm
What is software generated in the Voyager beyond the controls? Is there actually digital 'intervention' within the signal path or is the signal path 100% analog?
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:13 pm
It shoudl sound exactly the same (Im not saying anyone is wrong, i haven't seen an OS in person). THe only difference would be a digital memory right? Now im certianly no engineer but having even digital control over an analog board isn't going to do anything to the sound. (With the exception of digital latency artifacts, right?) I don't think that there would be any difference in the sound unless they changed the filters and Oscs.
Unlike the Phatty which has the filter overdrive circuit.
Now theres NO WAY that the OS by itself is going to sound like the Mini because of all the reasons listed in the hundreds of Mini Vs Voyager threads. Discrete chips, aging componants, etc. Its not the same instrument built with the same schematics, its a totally different beast altogether.
I wouldn't mind owning a Rackmount OS for pure voltage controlled goodness as a second heart to a modular system and Ill bet it would be quite easy to rig up.
Eric
Unlike the Phatty which has the filter overdrive circuit.
Now theres NO WAY that the OS by itself is going to sound like the Mini because of all the reasons listed in the hundreds of Mini Vs Voyager threads. Discrete chips, aging componants, etc. Its not the same instrument built with the same schematics, its a totally different beast altogether.
I wouldn't mind owning a Rackmount OS for pure voltage controlled goodness as a second heart to a modular system and Ill bet it would be quite easy to rig up.
Eric
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:28 pm
My thoughts exactly though I am very interested in any technical data/information that states otherwise. Had Moog actually reworked the analog engine of OS I'm sure it would've been broadcast loud and clear.EricK wrote:It shoudl sound exactly the same (Im not saying anyone is wrong, i haven't seen an OS in person). THe only difference would be a digital memory right? Now im certianly no engineer but having even digital control over an analog board isn't going to do anything to the sound. (With the exception of digital latency artifacts, right?) I don't think that there would be any difference in the sound unless they changed the filters and Oscs.
If removing the digital controls has that pronounced of an effect on the sound of the OS than I definitely need to take one for a test drive!
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:24 am
The Rack Mount produces stepping artifacts (and in my experience, other weird artifacts) when bending pitch with a midi controller, and therefore falls far short of an OS sonically speaking.
Despite this critical problem, the RME is still a great "mostly analog" synth, and many of us are hoping that there will be a fix.
Despite this critical problem, the RME is still a great "mostly analog" synth, and many of us are hoping that there will be a fix.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:30 am
Interestingly, I'm finding myself enjoying the sound of my RME more than the OS. Go figure. *shrug*
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:52 pm
Which brings me to wonder...is the OS compatible with the RME? Does the RME have CV inputs that the OS could control? If so, I will start saving for one of each! 
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:58 pm
Of corse it requires the vx351/2.
I think that would be the ultimate way to go, get an OS and A RME for the polyphany.
Probably what Id do is with that kind of Rig, get the dotcom keyboard controller so you can have dual voices, and then change the patch so that you had a nice 6 osc stack. Id set the OS directly above the dotcom keyboard...it would look sweet!
I think the OS/RME combination would be the best of both worlds (Not to quote the great miley cyrus) the digital presets, duophonic capabillity and total analogue bliss that is the OS.
EricK
I think that would be the ultimate way to go, get an OS and A RME for the polyphany.
Probably what Id do is with that kind of Rig, get the dotcom keyboard controller so you can have dual voices, and then change the patch so that you had a nice 6 osc stack. Id set the OS directly above the dotcom keyboard...it would look sweet!
I think the OS/RME combination would be the best of both worlds (Not to quote the great miley cyrus) the digital presets, duophonic capabillity and total analogue bliss that is the OS.
EricK
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:59 pm
Of corse it requires the vx351/2.
I think that would be the ultimate way to go, get an OS and A RME for the polyphany.
Probably what Id do is with that kind of Rig, get the dotcom keyboard controller so you can have dual voices, and then change the patch so that you had a nice 6 osc stack. Id set the OS directly above the dotcom keyboard...it would look sweet!
I think the OS/RME combination would be the best of both worlds (Not to quote the great miley cyrus) the digital presets, duophonic capabillity and total analogue bliss that is the OS.
EricK
I think that would be the ultimate way to go, get an OS and A RME for the polyphany.
Probably what Id do is with that kind of Rig, get the dotcom keyboard controller so you can have dual voices, and then change the patch so that you had a nice 6 osc stack. Id set the OS directly above the dotcom keyboard...it would look sweet!
I think the OS/RME combination would be the best of both worlds (Not to quote the great miley cyrus) the digital presets, duophonic capabillity and total analogue bliss that is the OS.
EricK
Re: One more log on the fire...
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Whoa....how do you do that?calvinistsandlutherans wrote: I use midi sequences all of the time to drive Moogerfoogers in time with my music
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:07 pm
A dot com! Of course! Why didn't I think of that? The OS lacking a digital interface would be the Perfect compliment to a Synthesizers.com entry level synth. (Just 1400 USD in payments of 120 a month, plus additional modules and the 475 dollar keyboard). Genius!! 
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:27 pm
Not only that but I think that Id really like to see a Old School Rack mount Edition to be the modern equivelant of one of those Studio electronics Minimoogs. I think that could very well be the cheapest way to go and they wouldn't have to retool at all! Id HAVE to own one of those!
Think about how awesome it would be to have JUST the DOtcom 960 sequencer clone hooked up to a OSRME!
I want to scream like a Mad Scientist!
HAHAHAHAHAH!
Eric
Think about how awesome it would be to have JUST the DOtcom 960 sequencer clone hooked up to a OSRME!
I want to scream like a Mad Scientist!
HAHAHAHAHAH!
Eric
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:49 pm
Oh, man! I just configured the most killer synth on that site, too! Dig this: The basic beginner's setup, PLUS 2-Q106CRS's, the Q150 Moog filter clone instead of the Q107, a Q960, Q961, and Q963 AND the keyboard, all for the low introductory price of $2741! Mix in a Voyager RME and Old School, a Little Phatty, and the rest of my gear, and you have the most dangerous rig since Keith Emerson!
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:05 am
now i wasnt around when the Mini was 1st released so i could never experience one right off the shelf, but is it possible that the Rawer, edgier sound that the Mini has is just due to its age? Its just a cranky old man yelling at all these young little workstation synths to get off his property. Maybe in 30 years the Voyager will develope the edge and bite.///OSS wrote:This is my current dilemma as well...
I understand the technical differences and purist opinions aside pertaining to the way they work and play, there are lots of people that do need to integrate these moogs into a solid DAW environment and think more about complex patches with timed, integrated control.
In that case, the voyagers presets (for recall or saving accidental patches on your way to your goal patch) come in handy, the midi transmit from the knobs and controllers are priceless for automation and integration, and more complex routing and patching internally should yield some more complicated synthesis results....
The big question is!
Does the old school truly "feel" better sonically...
side by side with a voyager, the model D tends to project more, be edgier(ripping electronic quality) and cut thru(more presence) over the voyager.. yes they are different Instruments, and yes the voyagers features are way more dense in comparison, and you can probably process a voyager to give you a similar result.. but I'm referring to those nuances and things you mostly feel more than hear in similar patches between the two.
Does the OS have these qualities? If so, are they more pronounced than the voyagers and more like th older moogs and their "raw" ways?
or is it the same as the voyager just a subtle tonal difference that doesn't encompass what I mentioned...
If they both hit just as hard equally, then the full blown voyager is 100% worth it, as your not gaining much by going for the scaled down voyager (other than purist players that are looking for that style of thinking of course).
But, if the OS does have something sound wise that takes it back to that older sound and reproduces some of those qualities more faithfully then it might be worth it to have BOTH in my case...LOL but id rather just get a voyager and a phatty II and call it a day.
would love to hear what Amos or anyone else thinks about these elusive qualities.
os vs performer
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:44 am
not being an engineer, i can only submit my ears as the arbiter...... again, having owned all 3 keyboard flavors of voyager ....... the OS is thicker---closest to the venerable model d (and, yes, i've played, recorded and gigged with model d's).
i did the side-by-side with the select, also, i used the rt out to filter in on both machines and then tried both w/o.
i can't give any tech specs but i'm sure an engineer looking at the guts of both machines could tell you somewhat what's going on.
a colleague just got a model d as payment for a session and i'm gonna try to do and a/b w/the OS and model d soon.....
i did the side-by-side with the select, also, i used the rt out to filter in on both machines and then tried both w/o.
i can't give any tech specs but i'm sure an engineer looking at the guts of both machines could tell you somewhat what's going on.
a colleague just got a model d as payment for a session and i'm gonna try to do and a/b w/the OS and model d soon.....