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MarkM wrote:Sir and Brain,
Greg has done quite a bit for the Moog community already. More than you or I have combined. He has put in hours and hours of tech writing and at one time had set up a free space.

Now here you guys come taking his work and associating yourselves with his efforts.

No, Mark you got it wrong.
1) Greg indeed wrote great technical articles (no doubt)
2) Greg is a helpful guy, just read his posts: he (re)directed the attention to the location where his useful files are located. Thus, he does not mind sharing his knowledge. In one of the last posts published on Squarewave he encouraged everyone to download the files before the site closed.
3) I put his files where they are freely accessible, and gave the proper credit. You won't see my name anywhere mentioned.
4) Conclusion: I served the community by spreading knowledge
So what is the problem with this logic?

Yeah buster...

The problem with your logic is that you don't have his permission to post the documents he researched and wrote on any other site. Its pretty simple, really.

brain_11 wrote:

I have his pdfs, so Greg if you agree I will post them on my site and people can download it.

sir_dss wrote:

Yeah the articles ARE great. Post them on your site brain_11...if that's ok GregAE.

Greg is not OK with it, so what's left to discuss?

OysterRock wrote:The problem with your logic is that you don't have his permission to post the documents he researched and wrote on any other site. Its pretty simple, really.

It was published on a public domain previously (yahoo), thus it became public property. No need for his permission.

brain_11 wrote:

OysterRock wrote:The problem with your logic is that you don't have his permission to post the documents he researched and wrote on any other site. Its pretty simple, really.

It was published on a public domain previously (yahoo), thus it became public property. No need for his permission.

Apart from good manners...

the_bot wrote:

brain_11 wrote:

OysterRock wrote:The problem with your logic is that you don't have his permission to post the documents he researched and wrote on any other site. Its pretty simple, really.

It was published on a public domain previously (yahoo), thus it became public property. No need for his permission.

Apart from good manners...

Indeed. But sometimes there are situation when one needs to decide which one is more important: good manners or serving the community....

. . .or is it serving yourself?

About 90% of your files section has been penned by GregAE. Neddustbin takes the credit for quite a few files. And Brain, on several you mention Greg, but you are still listed as the "Creator" of the file.

Other than stealing other's work, what have you created personally to serve the community? Did you contribute any ideas or articles when Greg was running Squarewave?

I served because looks like Greg couldn't find the upload button on the yahoo site. If he uploads them I will delete what I uploaded so de "cretator" will be Greg.
And don't tell me he doesn't want to share his files: those were on yahoo at some point.

I gotta ask what you're using to control the Voyager with your guitar???

That's where we wanna go too.






I know some of you guys have seen the Grateful Dead Movie. Remember when they're filming in the bar, and one guy says something like "this will be a cool document later about the Dead scene" and right away another guy starts going off about how the Dead are gonna make tons of $$$ and "like, how do I get paid?"


Kesey said it best--- "we ain't many.......... we ain't many............. and in any given situation there's gonna be more dumb people than smart people."

Any one who quotes Ken in all good in my book. I reconized the quote "instantly," it jumped off the page at me.

Wow, a thread about Mapping turned sour.

Sometimes I set up my Voyager so pressures slows down the LFO speed. Very cool with delay.



I posted a couple of "older" pictures on Moogspace, under the same name. (analoghaze) Check them out... if you want.

P.S. My "location" is a quote from something VERY close to the above Kesey quote. (any ideas?)

brain_11 wrote: It was published on a public domain previously (yahoo), thus it became public property. No need for his permission.

I suppose your an internet lawyer? Just because a document is posted somewhere it can be freely downloaded doesn't mean the author gives up his/her rights to the document. The author has to explicitly relinquish their rights to it. Redistribution is something altogether different.

Besides all that, this isn't about money or moogspace or all that. As Greg said, the number of people who join Moogspace is of no benefit to him. Its about him not wanted his work redistributed by others.

I like to use potmapping with filter spacing. i.e. the modwheel would control filterspacing.

Analoghaze, I like your idea about the LFO. I'm going to try that.

to c7sus and anyone else that may be interested....We're using a roland GI 20 pitch to midi interface with a roland gk3 midi pickup on the guitar, we aso use a roland ev-5 pedal in the loop. the pickup has a 3 position sw. moog, moog/guitar, guitar. you can also change patches from the pickup. with the ability to play the guitar and the moog at the same time you can achieve some amazing solo's. the set up needs a bit of tweeking to get it right but its well worth the effort. also you get some amazing dynamics from the strings...totally different from the keys.

Why is it so hard to just remove the files from the yahoo group etc. guys? Greg is the guy that put all the hard work into making the patches and if he wants to keep them on MoogSpace exclusively, that's his perogative. This "serving the community" stuff is garbage.

Actually, I very surprized at Moog's non-response to all this. From a business perspective, Moog's silence is pretty hard to understand. Those two guys, sir_dss and brain, engaged in efforts to sabotage MoogSpace, and openly encouraged others to do the same. A few others appear to have joined them, and MoogSpace got cleaned out. Everything that was taken from MoogSpace got reposted on the free mmvoyager forum. So now MoogSpace offers little more than discount belt buckels (according to sir_dss). Pretty brazen on their part, but killing MoogSpace was probably what they planned to do all along.

What's puzzling is that Moog hasn't said a word about this so far, and the people who did the 'looting' are still posting and responding to messages on this forum like nothing ever happened. Seems baffling that Moog would simply let it go without any response. Personally, I would have opened up a can of WA.