Over Priced

[pelican1]

I don't think the voyager is over priced. I just think 3000 is more than a great deal of the population can afford to pay on a hobby. Where I live if you make 40k a year you're lucky. Everything keeps going up except pay-gas, food, medical, housing, taxes. The moog is a quality synth of which you'll have to pay. It's not overpriced it's just something most people can't afford for a luxury.

[pelican1]

On another note I do have a polyevolver. It is Very nice, but is not on the niceness scale compared to the voyager. It's a great synth and higher quality than most, but it's not built as well as a voyager. The compaonents are not as nice internally or externally. DSI is a great company though.The LCD screen in my pek blew recently, and dave smith sent me a replacement board in 2 days. I changed it out and mailed the old one back to him.

I compare these synths to anything else being made- you get what you pay for. The voyager is a great product, and I'm sure Moog could care less if you can afford it or not. They make the product they want and charge accordingly. If they wanted to sell a cheaper synth they would have to compromise here and there. Maybe they don't want to? Basically don't put moog down for charging 3k.

[OysterRock]

I'm a college student, I have almost no income. I live off of student loans and what ever I can scrape together, yet I was able to buy a Voyager. I did it by selling other gear and by, believe it or not, going around to churches, asking if they had old organs that were broken and didn't want, if they were Hammonds I would buy them for cheap (or sometimes free), fix them up and sell them. I got an A100 for free and a C3 with speaker for $100. Anyway, my point is it is easy to scrape together enough money, it just takes patience and you have to really want it!

Funny story when checking out the C3 though, I was lifting the cover off the organ when the bench (those things have to weight about 40 lbs and it was full of books) fell backward directly onto my big toe. That will teach me to wear sandles! Anyway, after a trip to the emergency room where they drained the blood out of my toenail, I came back a few days later and got the organ. Smashing my toenail had to be the most painful thing I've ever experienced, and I've broken both my arms! Maybe it was a sign from God...

[miket156]

Maybe Suede started this thread with the wrong approach. Many of the responses by Voyager owners were defensive. I’d say some posts were downright offensive right back. Telling Suede that they should be selling burgers and fries instead of KB’s is a good example of an offensive response.

If I recall correctly, the first Model D I bought had a retail of 1695.00, that was back in the seventies. That was considered expensive back then too. If you add inflation and the devaluation of currency in the last 30 years, a 2995.00 retail price is probably in line. Let’s keep in mind that the dealer that is reselling a Voyager is making something on the sale for handling it.

I’d say that if someone comes into Suede’s store looking for a synth, but not specifically for a Moog Voyager, checks out the capability compared to price, it’s a good bet he will look for something else. Someone that is looking for a lot of bang for the buck would probably be looking to spend his money on a polyphonic synth or a rompler. I can speculate quite on bit on that.

What you buy depends upon your criteria. The Moog Voyager is not a bargain basement KB anymore than the Korg Oasys.

Suede, a couple things to consider: The Moog Voyager is just about hand built by a team of people at the Moog factory. Moog Music is not Yamaha; it’s a small company with limited resources. They choose to build a total quality instrument that should last a lifetime, or pretty darn close. The instrument is not without fault, as posted by Martin. Unfortunately, they’re not perfect, problems exist in any synth you buy because they are designed and built by people.

I think with v3.0 OS, the Voyager is an up-to-date full-fledged Moog Mono synth, and has capabilities both of my Mini Moog’s never had. So in that sense, the Voyager is “better” than the Mini Moog Model D.

Suede, it wasn’t a good decision for your company to carry a Moog Voyager, obviously. I’d say your customer base would never consider buying a 2995.00 mono synth, Moog or otherwise. And sure, it’s expensive for what it does. But some people won’t let the price be the only criteria for buying a synth. If you have to have a Moog, you’ll find a way to get the money if you don’t already have it.

So as in the case of the Korg Oasys, if you don’t have the money to buy it, or can’t justify the cost, buy something else.

I do think that someone posting on this site should have the “right” to say what Suede said, because that’s his opinion. Flame wars aren’t necessary. Just tell it like it is instead of telling people like Suede to take a hike.


Mike T.

[suede]

How many Voyagers have sold in the 3 years they have been on the market ?

[OysterRock]

Thousands. I think that the serial numbers are in to the 2000's on the Performer, there were 600 Signatures which all sold, my guess is around 1000 AE's plus however many of the EB have sold. My guess would be around 3000-4000.

Why does it matter?
Why are you so caught up on this?

[Lengai]

Moog is a cult for people with their heads on backwards.Moog Voyager is a over priced failure.

Here's the statement that started all of this. Stating to Voyager owners that they are cultists with their heads on backwards is obviously going to cause a defensive reaction on a Moog forum bacause it's an intentional effort to provoke people. It's also downright silly and pointless except for the reason I stated earlier. But, Suede has gotten exactly what was desired.

As far as the Voyager being a failure, again an extremely odd statement from a buisness person, the company is doing just fine.

[Kevin Lightner]

It should also be noted that the great percentage of Voyager sales have gone to working musicians. The same cannot be said about Roland or Yamaha.
The pro market is always smaller than the general consumer / hobbyist market.

I'd guess that Suede's store has pro items, but the gross percentage of sales are to amatuers. Considering the fairly small dealer base that Moog has, along with what sales they have made, it stands to reason that some of their dealers are selling them in multiple numbers.
Those dealers are either catering to pros or discount their products enormously.
One would guess that Suede's store doesn't do one or both of these.

Regardless, with so many people having their heads on backwards, it's no wonder Suede can't see eye to eye with them.

[nigeynige]

How many Voyagers have been sold.?
Well I totally agree with Kevin. It's mostly Pro and working musicians that would buy the voyagers.The Voyager and all other Moogs for that matter have always been something that the owners are proud to display. Mention to someone you have a Korg,Yamaha, alesis--whatever synth.....and people usually don't bat an eyelid.
It's like having coffee in the house.....
Mention you have a Moog and they're eyes light up and ask-"What Model?".
My Voyager has attracted alot of interest from both pro and semi pro musicians. Can't say the same about any of my other keyboards or rack gear and they are top of the range Yamaha, Roland, Emu etc.

As I pointed out earlier Suede, if you aren't good enough a salesman to sell the Voyagers, then Moog should take your shop dealership away.
They select dealers and train them to understand the machine.
If you don't think your shop can sell it, why stock them?
It's just a matter of using common sense


In the UK, Turnkey have been the only stockists and dealers.
Can't say the staff there are too helpful and have enough knowledge, but they sell Voyagers. Why can't you?
It maybe the fact that musicians around your shop area aren't prepared to part with the $3250 price tag and if that's so, surely you would know this on previous instrument sales. It makes good business sense.

Well I look at my Voyager as an investment..Buy it and it won't depreciate too much from it's original price.
I bought a Roland JD800 for £2000. It's worth £400 now....sad, but true.....
I wouldn't worry too much about the voyager sales. Leave it to Mike Adams and the team at Moog. They are the only ones that need worry about this issue.
If you spent more time trying to get to know the Voyager rather than spend time on this board, you'd sell it

[sundaeclubber]

In the UK, Turnkey have been the only stockists and dealers.

And dreadful they are too.

Not only uninformed, but they actually told me that they couldn't sell me a Theremin because they interfered with Air Traffic Control and brought aircraft down. If these idiots can sell V'gers, then anybody can.

I'm tempted to volunteer for the job of sole UK importer......!

[Lengai]

sundaeclubber,

That's funny stuff

[suede]

How many Voyagers have been sold.?

As I pointed out earlier Suede, if you aren't good enough a salesman to sell the Voyagers, then Moog should take your shop dealership away.
They select dealers and train them to understand the machine.
If you don't think your shop can sell it, why stock them?
It's just a matter of using common sense
[/b][/u]

I don't work in the keyboard dept so please don't get personal or I will point out Oyster's music is horrible.

Having the MonoPhonic Moog sitting in a room with every other keyboard on the market makes the Moog look a little silly and that's before you ask the price !

This is not 1975 and you have no choice , Moog Voyager is a relic from the past for people who missed it the first time.

A model D with a $1999 retail Price would be great for a sentimental journey.

[OysterRock]

I don't work in the keyboard dept so please don't get personal or I will point out Oyster's music is horrible.

Nice. Your a real class act, I didn't make it personal, but you did. And the fact is, in a live situation I could play circles around you.

I bet your a real winner, working in a music store. How old are you? I'd be surprised if you were over 18, because you type like an absolute idiot and you work in a music store. What is it, Guitar Center? Sounds like a real good career, loser. Judging by all your previous posts before this thread, I'd say you're just upset that you can't afford a Voyager on a music store salesman's salary. Keep crying, someone might care eventually.

See, two can play that game

[MarkM]

Oh, it was civil until the last two posts.

[OysterRock]

Yes it was, but a man can only take so much before he has to get dirty!