Question for Moog owners.

[sunny pedaal]

there are so many good synthesizers, don't simply buy anything for the name. buy it because you're up to it.
i can't play guitar very well , so i don't buy a top gibson. i don't play violin very well , so i have a shitty violin and not a stradivarius.
afcourse on the moog forum everybody will explain to you, moog is best.
so will i if you ask me, and as a model-d owner i say: yes it's worth every penny.
question is if you're really up to it. if so then the question has answered itself for you, if in doubt , take your time and train yourself, every synth might suit you..

how much are you already "into synth's" ?

[thealien666]

FWIW, as I said before, I have a Minimoog D and a Korg Mono/Poly (and a few others too). I love them both. The Mini has the unequaled "Minimoog" sound, and the Korg can do interesting things that the Mini cannot. One example, out of many, the Korg can glide at different speeds on each of its four oscillators, producing a very powerful and unmistakable Mono/Poly sound. It also sounds very good, even next to a Mini.

Of all the analog/hybrids synths that I was fortunate enough to have tried and/or owned during the last 30 years, there's only one that I set aside (and quickly sold) because of its poor sound quality despite having Curtis chips. But in all fairness to those who do like it, I won't tell you wich one it was. All the other ones had something worth keeping them, either a fantastic sound, or amazing possibilities, or both !

As Sunny pedaal said; "there are so many good synthesizers, don't simply buy anything for the name. buy it because you're up to it."
And I would add; "...and because you like it.". Even if you're not sure if you're gonna like it, you can always sell it if you don't.

[Box]

how much are you already "into synth's" ?

Very much so. Been playing synths for 5 years now. Doesn't sound like a long time, but I'm 20. Would've started sooner, but it took awhile for me to get the money for my first synth, an Alesis Ion. I like programming just as much as I do playing. Right now I'm tossing it between a Moog, Korg Mono/Poly, or Yamaha CS-15/CS-30. The Yamaha has the multi-mode filters, an audio input, fast LFO, but lacks a self oscillating filter and sync. The Korg has 4 VCO's, arpeggiator, cross mod and sync, self oscillating filter. Depends on which Moog, but in the same price range the Little Phatty and Source fall in. Phatty doesn't have noise, but a CP-251 takes care of that and adds more. Rogue, Prodigy, and MG-1 also in that range. Just a lot to weigh out. Always have wanted a synth that has all hands on control, no menus etc. Something without patch memory would make for a nice change I think. Always having to fiddle with things, make new sounds. Make for a nice change from patch memory and presets. I have to rely on YouTube and reviews, seeing as I have to buy off Ebay. Now with eBay and PayPal's outrageous fees, harder to just buy something and resell if you don't like it. Losing $100+ on fees a couple of times is something I can't manage.

[sunny pedaal]

in this case i'd go for a voyager , or voyager oldschool.
forget the yamaha ( real nice synth but )
the monopoly has lots of possibilities but the moog sound i prefer.
the voyager second-hand has all the phatty has, + the possibilities like a monopoly( especially the "normal" voyager+ a lot more, for not much more money
also it's modern/ easily fitting in a modern soundsystem, reliable and great
and you can sell it , and if you want it spare some money later to buy a model -d ( which serial ?) after some time ( with less possibilities , but even better basic sound )

[Box]

Have read a lot of good things about the Yamaha. Mainly the multi-mode filters. Guess I'll be selling the Cadillac then. Should be able to get enough out of it to buy a Voyager, or be real close to it anyway. Have my Celica now anyway, and it doesn't suck down premium leaded gas like it's 20 cents a gallon still.

[sunny pedaal]

it's more of a speciality to me , the yamaha i mean, nice one after i'd bought other synth's .
but afcourse that's personal.

why not consider yourself to be a rich man ?
keep the car, and simply find a good way to get the money for a voyager secondhand. ( 1700 ?)
be patient a bit, spare money, do something ...

[Voltor07]

it's more of a speciality to me , the yamaha i mean, nice one after i'd bought other synth's .
but afcourse that's personal.

why not consider yourself to be a rich man ?
keep the car, and simply find a good way to get the money for a voyager secondhand. ( 1700 ?)
be patient a bit, spare money, do something ...

You HAVE to be rich to drive a 60's Cadillac. They get about 10 miles to the gallon, and run on leaded 100+ octane gas. In other words, racing fuel that sells for $9.00 per gallon (if you can find it) plus lead additives. I understand that for a European, that's cheap, but for the average 20 year old American, it just isn't practical.

[Box]

I'm far from rich. 60's Cadillac isn't as expensive as you'd think, just all the parts are. Today's premium fuel with lead additive is more than enough for it. It was gotten at a time when I really wasn't thinking in a practical sense. I have a 95 Celica ST 5-speed now, gets combined 29 with being a lead-foot. Can't really justify holding onto the Caddy, I like it and all, but if I'm going to have an older car like that I rather have something like a Pontiac Tempest or Oldsmobile Cutlass. Something you can actually get performance parts for, and all the stock parts. Can't even buy a water pump for the Cadillac, have to send it off to be rebuilt. Any who, it'd be better off being transformed into musical gear especially with having the Celica now. Cheapest Voyager I've seen is the Electric Blue for right under $2,000.

[thealien666]

... Cheapest Voyager I've seen is the Electric Blue for right under $2,000.

That looks like a great deal !

[Box]

That or find a plain Performer model. Kind of want to hold out and get the Select series.

Just how beautiful is that? Unless I can find someone that shares my tastes and is selling theirs.

[Box]

Noticed the Voyager has a highpass/lowpass mode. How does that work exactly? Does it just make a bandpass filter? Or can you move it from lowpass or to highpass with the spacing control and bandpass there in the middle? Really just feeling save up for the Voyager. Hopefully an Old School will pop up for a reasonable price.

[thealien666]

Noticed the Voyager has a highpass/lowpass mode. How does that work exactly? Does it just make a bandpass filter? Or can you move it from lowpass or to highpass with the spacing control and bandpass there in the middle? Really just feeling save up for the Voyager. Hopefully an Old School will pop up for a reasonable price.

As you know (or not) the Voyager has actually 2 filters. In Highpass/Lowpass mode, the Voyager’s filters are configured as a lowpass and highpass filter in series, resulting in a bandpass filter. The output of the bandpass filter is routed to both outputs, left and right.

It's all in the user's manual, which you could read here (on page 25), while you are awaiting its eventual/inevitable purchase.
http://www.moogmusic.com/sites/default/ ... _combo.pdf

[EricK]

Novamusik is the place to go. I got my Voyager Select and Vx 351 for $2999. They sole my father a fantom G8 for the same price.

I went with the select, with I still had just the performer. The backlighting is nice but it might be difficult to replace in 30 years and the lights only last for like 1000 hours, something like that.

The reason why I like the performer is because I believe my original performer didn't have a plastic panel overlay, I think it was all screened on....but I really can't remember. My panel is starting to come off around the LCD screen and I baby the hell out of my stuff.

[Box]

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. Was being kind of wishful in that you could fully pan to either the lowpass or highpass filter. Just browsing through the manual, the Voyager seems to offer the best everything in one box features wise. One thing I hate in a synth is limitations on features. I want everything in one self contained unit. Yes virtual analogue is awfully tempting at times, for that reason alone. I've tried VA in that past though, I don't know, just isn't the same. Rather that's really the case, or the fact I know it's not who knows. Any who, guess need to get some pictures of the Caddy this weekend. Try and sell it to put towards the Voyager fund.

Been thinking just the an Old School or the Performer. Read where the lights don't last that long. Makes you wonder why they just didn't use LEDs for the back lighting.

[thealien666]

...Been thinking just the an Old School or the Performer.

Remember that the Old School has been discontinued (purposely limited production run) and might be harder to find. Also, it doesn't offer ALL the possibilities of a regular Voyager. Not only because it doesn't have MIDI or the "touch pad" and cannot save patches in memory, but also because some of the modulation routings and some other settings are only accesible via the onboard software on a regular Voyager.

On an Old School, the modulation routing is hardwired. It is more closely related to a Minimoog D in that, what you see is what you get, much like a Mini. But the sound of an Old School is identical to a regular Voyager because it uses the exact same analog main board inside.