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Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:21 am**

Here's the catch:

If you get either the 101 or 107 the env out still needs an attenuator of some type - ie CP-251 - dunno if the Phatty has this or not. You'll notice that MOOG has done a good job of selling moogerfoogers as modules, where specific features are isolated to specific devices.

Buying the 101 would be redundant in having two LP filters, sure, but it would gain you an envelope control. 107 will gain you an env out, but still provide you with new textures for your sound. It's really versatile, and other pedals can affect it's outcome. It's more like a german shepherd than a pitbull - in that it's really smart and deep, and becomes intuitive.

My advice is to wait. Get a 107, and the CP-251 together when you can. The 101 is an awesome pedal too, it just eliminates any redundancy that you may or may not want.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:31 pm**

There is no such thing as redundance when it comes to modular synths.

This is from an older discussion:

EricK wrote:
peterkadar wrote:I would suggest all of them except the MF-101 because it's rather redundant unless you use it to tame the excellent Freq Box.
Okay there has been a lot of usage of the word redundant lately and let me be the first to tell you that having 2 filters is a totally awesome effect.

1.Lets say that you have a heavy and fast sample and held pitch/filter. Run that through a second Lowpass filter with some resonance that is doing a really really slow sweep....

It is a very nice effect.

2. Lets say that you have a special patch on your synth that has dedicated filtering, and you want to run something else through a filter when you can't multitrack...you need a second filter.

3. Lets say that you want to put a noise source on the CP251 to good use but your synth's filter is already occupied, but you just have to have that surf effect or a laser effect. You need a second filter.

4. Lets say that you wanted to use the filter as a 4th Oscillator for the Voyager or a third for the Phatty. Ill bet you could do that with an extra filter in a oscillatory mode with the resonance all the way up.

5. Then lets say that you don't want a Moog lowpass filter at all because different filters have different sounds. Theres lots of filters out there.

Then think about how many Foogers are filters...3. The phaser the Murf and the LPF are all filters. THen there are bandpass, bandreject, highpass, and multimode filters, then you run all of your high dollar equipment through a filter (an equalizer) to get it sounding perfect. Then the Bass Murf has a LP filter in it and the delay has a LP filter effect.

The only redundancy to be found.....is in this post lol.

Eric
Lets stamp out and abolish redundancy.

Posted: **Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:08 pm**

well said... I personally would pick the low pass if I were playing bass, there's just so much it can do to bass tones.

Reading the OP it seems as though he feels that two filters are redundant... but that is why he came here - to have everyone clear the situation.

Come to think of it, like Bryan said, I need my filter on when I play the freq box.

I retract my previous statement. GET THE 101 & CP-251. You won't regret it.

Posted: **Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:13 pm**

[quote="EMwhite"]I have an Old School and a Little Phatty and am a Bass player. Bought the Midi Murf first and just now have enough cash for a 2nd pedal.

Which is more [generally] useful, Ring Mod or Envelope Fooger? I know it very much depends on what you are after... I just have a home setup, play in the evenings and am taking some classes at Berklee/still learning, this is not for a road setup and I don't gig at the moment, if that helps.

Thank you

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:00 am**

whenever I play bass with foogers I always use the envelope cv from my freqbox for something. With the murf I use the envelope to step/tap tempo, that's fun. I also like sending the envelope to the rate.

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:05 am**

This is one of the best threads around. The Foogers are hard to pin down, because everyone has a different use for them. It seems impossible to advise someone which ones or how many to get

The most confusing part to me is that there's no standard way to plug them and leave them that way. Each experiment is a unique pathway of cables. Which fooger to get next is a very difficult question!

So I want to ask you guys, which one was way more than you thought it would be?

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:01 pm**

LivePsy wrote:This is one of the best threads around. The Foogers are hard to pin down, because everyone has a different use for them. It seems impossible to advise someone which ones or how many to get The most confusing part to me is that there's no standard way to plug them and leave them that way. Each experiment is a unique pathway of cables. Which fooger to get next is a very difficult question!

So I want to ask you guys, which one was way more than you thought it would be?

CP251 added way more to my mf101&103 than i couldve hoped for..
is that what you meant????

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:10 pm**

Yes, that's great. They ALL get recommended so I'm asking that if you can only name ONE, which one did more than you expected?

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:35 pm**

LivePsy wrote:Yes, that's great. They ALL get recommended so I'm asking that if you can only name ONE, which one did more than you expected?

I don't think there's such a thing as one fooger. It may start that way, but somehow they seem to acquire friends. That said, the midi murf is amazing, but so are all the other's I've used. I can't pick just one.

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:12 pm**

My one and only fooger is the midi murf which I use to animate static chords and as a fixed filter bank. Things which I expected it to do. But the next fooger is a tough choice. I don't have a clear idea about that. And the best advice appears to be "they're all good"

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:11 am**

I hate to pull out the big whopper, but the Fooger that I use the MOST is the Delay.

Just about anything that I use MUST go to the delay lol. Now that I own a sequencer, being able to program the delay time is one of the greatest things!

I really need more than one of these because once I get something sounding great on the delay I need another delay unit to run another instrument through.
Eric

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:45 am**

I too get the most use out of my delay. It did everything I expected it to though.

The ring mod still does stuff I never thought possible.

The others are all "support" pedals for these two that can do tricks on their own.

Posted: **Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:01 pm**

The first foogers I ordered were the 101, 104z, and 105. I really wanted the 104z because I thought it would be great to use the effects loop and CV inputs. And I really liked the sound of the 105 demos. But I didn't feel I really needed a LPF at the time, just the envelope follower on the 101.

I ended up getting the 101 and 105 right off because the retail store my friend works at had them in stock. They ordered the 104z and it took a little while to come in. So my first MF rig actually became the 101+105. They are both great pedals but as time has gone on, I use the 101 more, and the 105 less. I might eventually trade up to a 105M.

I always use the 104z. At one point I considered selling it... it does not spillover out of the box. I ended up not really using the loop (maybe if I had more gear or a better switching setup I'd experiment with this more). And I don't really patch the envelope from the 101 to the delay. There are places the envelope signal could be more useful if I had it running into a lag processor first. But eventually I came to a configuration with footpedals that makes the 104z essential to my musical desires.

You can never have too many delays. I could easily use a smaller cheaper analog for slapback, a nice tape for another warm sound, a quality digital for clean echos, and a second or third 104z.. and don't forget a looper or two...

I eventually added a phaser and I'll probably get a ringmod next at some point, although a second 101 or 104 would be useful too.

Posted: **Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:50 am**

Sometimes I wonder myself what's next after the MF-101. I've always wanted the MF-102 ring mod, and yet, it almost seems like the MF-107 would be handy as a synth(ish) MF. I'd first like to rack up the Moogerfoogers in my setup, just because I'd like to keep them in a steady safe place, and to keep the cables out of the way as much as possible. I'd probably get a CP-251 after I've got a 2nd MF, and before a 3rd joins the 2 racked MFs. It's a little tricky for me to plan out financially, and I'm going to have to find a job, but after I do so, it should speed up the process of purchasing/expanding the setup I have in mind. I might just decide to get the most expensive MF-104z out of the way as the 2nd MF if I have the money to do so, but I might have to do it as the 4th, if not 5th. (If I decide on the MF-103 somewhere along the way)

I do want a Slim Phatty, but it would only be after I'm done with collecting/trying out the Moogerfoogers.

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