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facon wrote:

c7sus wrote:Before you ditch the 104 try using it as a send/return off your mixer instead of routing directly through it. I bring the returns back to a pair of inputs and mix to taste. I've found that using the 104 in this way the audio doesn't get taken over and swallowed whole by the delay.

Hmm, I'm a bit confused. The delay has a built in parrallel blend/mix already. I have used the delay on an aux while mixing because I was routing a few things through it at once. I'm not sure I understand the benefit while using a single source though.

I'm interested in understanding the difference too. On the paper, it should sound the same.

Sounds better to my ears as a send/return. YMMV. I prefer to not constantly run my audio through it. It's more flexible for me to use as a send/return then directly in the signal path.

stiiiiiiive wrote:

facon wrote:

c7sus wrote:Before you ditch the 104 try using it as a send/return off your mixer instead of routing directly through it. I bring the returns back to a pair of inputs and mix to taste. I've found that using the 104 in this way the audio doesn't get taken over and swallowed whole by the delay.

Hmm, I'm a bit confused. The delay has a built in parrallel blend/mix already. I have used the delay on an aux while mixing because I was routing a few things through it at once. I'm not sure I understand the benefit while using a single source though.

I'm interested in understanding the difference too. On the paper, it should sound the same.

You can further process the returned delay signal using EQ to brighten it up for one. Can't do that if you're using it as an insert.

But analog BBD delays are a bit darker. I was really struggling to decide between the MF-104 and the Strymon El Cap. Both beautiful delays, but I preferred the darker 104. If it's too dark for you, I highly recommend looking into the Strymon El Cap or perhaps Timeline, although I felt the samples I listened to, the El Cap was better than the Timeline approximating the El Cap. (Timeline gives so many delay options though)

facon wrote:

c7sus wrote:Before you ditch the 104 try using it as a send/return off your mixer instead of routing directly through it. I bring the returns back to a pair of inputs and mix to taste. I've found that using the 104 in this way the audio doesn't get taken over and swallowed whole by the delay.

Hmm, I'm a bit confused. The delay has a built in parallel blend/mix already. I have used the delay on an aux while mixing because I was routing a few things through it at once. I'm not sure I understand the benefit while using a single source though.

I don't know why it is but I definitely find that it's more satisfying sounding to send my Sub37 to my 104m from a mixing console aux send and return 100% wet delay to an effects return than it is to use it inline and balanced with blend - I wonder if there's some kind of limiter circuitry that occurs AFTER the blend therefore affecting both the wet and dry signals? I much prefer the sound of the send/return to inline and only use it inserted inline for live gigs and definitely notice that something is lost compared to the send/return setup I normally use.