Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

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_DemonDan_
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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by _DemonDan_ » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:40 am

gian77 wrote:Would love to send CV to my Minitaur and get the sound back to the Sub 37 audio input.
Hi gian77,

You probably know this, but I have to ask, just in case...

Have you tried MIDI OUT of the Sub 37 to MIDI IN of the Minitaur, and then Audio OUT of the Minitaur into the AUDIO IN of the Sub 37?

You may want to filter out the Sub 37's PANEL MIDI CCs so that the Sub 37's knobs don't affect Minituar parameters.

{MIDI MENU - MIDI OUTPUT page - PANEL = OFF}
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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by Rufus the Dog » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:54 am

I had the CV out modification carried out to my Little Phatty but also bought a not-cheap-but-good Kenton Pro Solo Mk II Midi to CV converter which comes in handy


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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by gian77 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:09 am

_DemonDan_ wrote:Hi gian77,

You probably know this, but I have to ask, just in case...

Have you tried MIDI OUT of the Sub 37 to MIDI IN of the Minitaur, and then Audio OUT of the Minitaur into the AUDIO IN of the Sub 37?

You may want to filter out the Sub 37's PANEL MIDI CCs so that the Sub 37's knobs don't affect Minituar parameters.

{MIDI MENU - MIDI OUTPUT page - PANEL = OFF}
Hi DemonDan,

Thanks for your advice DemonDan, when Sub37 MIDI OUT is directly plugged to MT MIDI IN, panel MIDI CC should be desactivated, it's less confusion that way !

Actualy, i tried this with the DAW :

First, with MT's Audio OUT not directly through the Sub3's Audio IN but using 2 chanels on the mixer.
I find sonically interesting to have kind of a "dual synth" with close behaviour on common parameters (especialy filter and enveloppe sections) :
- Filter Cutoff = 19 on both
- Resonnace = 21 on both
- But Sub37's VCF Decay (24) can affect both Decay and/or Release on the MT (depend on linked or not).
- So Sub37,s VCF Release (26) has no effect on the MT.
- Same thing for the VCA Enveloppe.
This could be interesting to develop via MIDI mapping (hardware or sofware) ...

Then, by using the Sub37's Audio IN :
This way it's sound more like a 4 oscillators synth, they sound more "together" :D
Only constraint : take care of the MT notes scale (MIDI notes 0-72).
I also think that it's better to have MT's Filter wide open to let the Sub37 have full control of this parameter, but any advice for the VCA enveloppe ?
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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by _DemonDan_ » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:17 am

gian77 wrote:Then, by using the Sub 37's Audio IN :
This way it sounds more like a 4 oscillator synth, they sound more "together" :D
I also think that it's better to have MT's Filter wide open to let the Sub37 have full control of this parameter, but any advice for the VCA envelope?
One of the most fun things about synthesis is that there are few rules (other than the ones that keep your toys from breaking).

So... try anything and everything.

Having said that, if the goal is the sound of lots of oscillators that seem to all come from one synth, then I'd make all external oscillators as unhindered as possible. Wide open, no Filtering, no Amp envelopes... basically always on. By letting the Sub 37's Filter, Amp, Mixer overdrive (past 12:00), MultiDrive, and Envelopes do all the work, you will homogenize all the sound sources.
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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by bookem » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:18 pm

_DemonDan_ wrote:
bookem wrote:Only thing that makes sense is they want to force you towards a Voyager for the extra revenue.
Is that really the only thing that makes sense to you, bookem?

Other than bad design, no I can't think of any.

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Re: Sub 37 : CV OUT Kit

Post by MRNUTTY » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:30 am

I had forgotten the CV out mod for the LP! Looks like my LP may be taking a little factory trip soon :-)
VoyagerEB, Minitaur, LittlePhattyII, 4xSlimPhatty, Sub37, MF[2x101,2x102,103,104M,105,105B,105M,2x107,108M], 3xCP251, XV351, MP201;
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