its cheaper than the voodoo labs and it can run the more demanding draw from murfs and delay. But can I really run 7 foogers from it at once with no hum or weirdness??
anyone know if reverse polarity cables are available for it?
the perfect power solution doesn't seem to exist yet. Moog music???
I have 10 foogers at the moment, can't bear 10 wallwarts!!
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DC Brick?
I don't have one of these, and I don't know anyone WITH one of these, but I think I would buy one of these as it looks quite promising. I would recommend trying it out first, if at all possible. Of course, you could save the reciept and return it if it didn't work as well as you hoped it would. This is possibly the best option on the market for running a series of 'Foogers off one supply.
The only problem I see with it, that is a common complaint, is the noise issue when using 18V pedals. I don't see that as a problem, considering Moogerfoogers use 9V. And yes, I did do research on this product as soon as I saw your post.
The only problem I see with it, that is a common complaint, is the noise issue when using 18V pedals. I don't see that as a problem, considering Moogerfoogers use 9V. And yes, I did do research on this product as soon as I saw your post.
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the voodoo labs seems to have isolated outputs each with its own amp-age, the dc brick seems to share the total amp-age between the outputs, making me fear the fussy foogers will be all hum and whine
Its a pain that its impossible to test the foogers with any DC multi supply without splashing out on a whole bunch of custom DC cables. Damn, why did guitar pedals (and therefore DC multis) end up centre negative when just about everything else in the world, including foogers, is centre positive?? very annoying....
getting 7 leads made up will add a sizeable amount to the cost of even trying out this thing!!
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Its a pain that its impossible to test the foogers with any DC multi supply without splashing out on a whole bunch of custom DC cables. Damn, why did guitar pedals (and therefore DC multis) end up centre negative when just about everything else in the world, including foogers, is centre positive?? very annoying....
getting 7 leads made up will add a sizeable amount to the cost of even trying out this thing!!
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another option could be this:
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i- ... edium=feed&
could run 5 foogers but not the murf and delay, it says the outputs are isolated
anyone?
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http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i- ... edium=feed&
could run 5 foogers but not the murf and delay, it says the outputs are isolated
anyone?
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I reckon the maximum current draw of a moogerfooger could be as high as 200 mA. This is way higher than for digital effects. I must have said this quite a few times now, but I found I could power about 3 'foogers off a supply (wall wart) rated at 850 mA without anything humming.
The other thing to note is that a simple LM309 (9V positive regulator) has a max draw of 1000 mA, and that's pushing it.
http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail. ... e1dQ%3d%3d
You could buy three or four 1 amp supplies @ $12 each and daisy chain each to three 'foogers. They don't have to be regulated (although it is a very good idea) except for the MuRF if you have one; that almost certainly needs a regulated supply.
If you want to use analog effects (and ten Moogerfoogers ffs
) you need lotsa power, sorry.
The other thing to note is that a simple LM309 (9V positive regulator) has a max draw of 1000 mA, and that's pushing it.
http://mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail. ... e1dQ%3d%3d
You could buy three or four 1 amp supplies @ $12 each and daisy chain each to three 'foogers. They don't have to be regulated (although it is a very good idea) except for the MuRF if you have one; that almost certainly needs a regulated supply.
If you want to use analog effects (and ten Moogerfoogers ffs
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hmm, my experience has been different. I have tried with 3 different brands of high powered (4/5 amp) switching supplies and haven't managed to get 3 moogers to share any supply without high pitched whining...
I am confused: is this supply you linked to a switching kind? I guess it must be otherwise it would need to be 27volts to power 3 foogers.... but it doesn't say its a switching supply...?
can of worms all this
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I am confused: is this supply you linked to a switching kind? I guess it must be otherwise it would need to be 27volts to power 3 foogers.... but it doesn't say its a switching supply...?
can of worms all this
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Switching supply -- there's your first problem. It's the switching frequency which leaks into your audio line.
From Voodoo Labs:
When you daisy chain pedals, you don't wire them in series, you wire them in parallel. Thus the supply is still 9 volts, but the three pedals together draw three times the current of one, and so increase the load on the transformer. You can keep drawing off the transformer until you reach its rated maximum current, then you will start drawing off the mains supply. That is where 60-cycle hum comes from.
From Voodoo Labs:
You want a transformer, or better, a toroidal transformer. I think the one I linked was not switchingSwitching power supplies aren’t for everything.
What’s good for charging a cell phone is NOT good for your pedals. While digital switching power supplies are small and inexpensive, they also generate unpredictable transients and extraneous noise. Pedal Power 2 Plus uses an audiophile quality linear supply for consistently stable, clean, pure power.
When you daisy chain pedals, you don't wire them in series, you wire them in parallel. Thus the supply is still 9 volts, but the three pedals together draw three times the current of one, and so increase the load on the transformer. You can keep drawing off the transformer until you reach its rated maximum current, then you will start drawing off the mains supply. That is where 60-cycle hum comes from.
I've looked at all multi-power supplies on the market & am dejected that not one provides enough isolated current to run the Magic 6 Moogerfoogers.
Here's an example of 60-Hz hum:
I had a better example that looked like a sine-wave with 3 or 4 additional sine-waves on top of it all at different frequencies but cannot find it now.
A non-switching power supply with individually isolated outputs is ideal. The unit must provide at least six 9VDC center-positive outputs.
Although each Moogerfooger might not need the full 300mA supplied by their included adapter, The MuRF & Delay indeed requires more current than the others. To reiterate, there is not one aftermarket power unit that provides six 9VDC isolated outputs at more than about 100mA per output.
I was considering the Voodoo or the FlatLiner as the best built/feature-set of the bunch but they don't provide enough outlets or current per outlet.
The Diago unit doesn't have isolated outputs which is paramount in keeping noise at bay with my analog MoogerFoogers. Common-ground power supplies can be bad news sometimes.
The Burkey unit only sports 100mA/outlet.
Here's an example of 60-Hz hum:
I had a better example that looked like a sine-wave with 3 or 4 additional sine-waves on top of it all at different frequencies but cannot find it now.
A non-switching power supply with individually isolated outputs is ideal. The unit must provide at least six 9VDC center-positive outputs.
Although each Moogerfooger might not need the full 300mA supplied by their included adapter, The MuRF & Delay indeed requires more current than the others. To reiterate, there is not one aftermarket power unit that provides six 9VDC isolated outputs at more than about 100mA per output.
I was considering the Voodoo or the FlatLiner as the best built/feature-set of the bunch but they don't provide enough outlets or current per outlet.
The Diago unit doesn't have isolated outputs which is paramount in keeping noise at bay with my analog MoogerFoogers. Common-ground power supplies can be bad news sometimes.
The Burkey unit only sports 100mA/outlet.
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You mentioned you have 10 foogers... Which ten?
As indicated the MuRF and Delay need more power, but if you only have one of each of those, you could power all 10 using a Voodoo labs PP2P. You would have to plug two wall warts into the AC ouput of the PP2P, which works great, that's how I power all 7 of mine on one unit, with no noise.
101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 107, cp-251
You could probably even plug more into that output, but make sure you don't exceed the amperage / wattage specified.[/quote]
As indicated the MuRF and Delay need more power, but if you only have one of each of those, you could power all 10 using a Voodoo labs PP2P. You would have to plug two wall warts into the AC ouput of the PP2P, which works great, that's how I power all 7 of mine on one unit, with no noise.
101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 107, cp-251
You could probably even plug more into that output, but make sure you don't exceed the amperage / wattage specified.[/quote]
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[quote="Alien8"]You mentioned you have 10 foogers... Which ten?
I have 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 105b, 2 x 107, 2 x cp-251
For sure this is overkill but I got some very good deals and couldn't resist!!! But unless I really decide I want to work with a four channel system with two independent fx chains and a ernie ball stereo voulme pedal to croossfade between the two (maybe i do want that) some of these will have to go. I probably don't really need the 105 and one of the 107s.
so i guess powering the remaining 107 and bassmurf from wallwarts is okay. In fact it seems to be the only really solid solution as I've tried sharing eith every appropriate 9 and 12 volt PSU I own and haven't managed to get a single fooger to happily share with another without high pitched whining - oddly, the CP251 seems the most problematic
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I have 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 105b, 2 x 107, 2 x cp-251
For sure this is overkill but I got some very good deals and couldn't resist!!! But unless I really decide I want to work with a four channel system with two independent fx chains and a ernie ball stereo voulme pedal to croossfade between the two (maybe i do want that) some of these will have to go. I probably don't really need the 105 and one of the 107s.
so i guess powering the remaining 107 and bassmurf from wallwarts is okay. In fact it seems to be the only really solid solution as I've tried sharing eith every appropriate 9 and 12 volt PSU I own and haven't managed to get a single fooger to happily share with another without high pitched whining - oddly, the CP251 seems the most problematic
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Yes the CP-251 is quite moody...so i guess powering the remaining 107 and bassmurf from wallwarts is okay. In fact it seems to be the only really solid solution as I've tried sharing eith every appropriate 9 and 12 volt PSU I own and haven't managed to get a single fooger to happily share with another without high pitched whining - oddly, the CP251 seems the most problematic
You mean 104 and bass murf right? If you remove the Murf from the equation, then you can do it all on a PP2P, and keep both 107's. The 107 works fine on the PP2P.
You could sell the MuRF to pay for the PP2P, and cables
... just sayin'Vibration emanates from all things, even nothing. Using awareness to translate vibration into "music" is something that I am whole heartedly grateful for.
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"You could sell the MuRF to pay for the PP2P, and cables"
your right but I was gonna sell the murf to pay for the 201!
and yes, i had the 104 and 107 names mixed up. I fact I have two 104s so I think one of those has to go as well.
after looking at it from every angle, I think the damned expensive and imperfect voodoo labs option is the only way to go at the moment.
but, sigh, i spent faaaaaarrrr too much money on the moogies this year
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your right but I was gonna sell the murf to pay for the 201!
and yes, i had the 104 and 107 names mixed up. I fact I have two 104s so I think one of those has to go as well.
after looking at it from every angle, I think the damned expensive and imperfect voodoo labs option is the only way to go at the moment.
but, sigh, i spent faaaaaarrrr too much money on the moogies this year
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