No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
What I can’t quite understand is, why didn’t Moog put a SPRING RETURN ON THE PITCH WHEEL !! – A lot of original minimoogs had one fitted as a retrofit by 3rd.party companys way back in the 70s and 80s ! Moog – why didn’t you do this – and don’t say “we wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible” ‘cos that bird has flown ages ago ! It would only have added a couple of dollars to the cost price.We players always know that the pitch wheel NEVER returned to exactly the centre position on the original minimoog - it was a pain in the A**S.All keyboards and synths these days have a spring return on the pitch wheel.Can’t believe you missed that one Moog !
Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Where were you during the 1970s/80s? The Minimoog didn't have spring loaded wheels, but neither did the Prodigy, The Source, Sonic 6, Rogue, Taurus 2, Oberheim FVS/EVS/TVS, Korg Polysix, Mono/Poly, Prophet 5, Memorymoog...
There were real players during the 1970s. They cut their teeth on Minimoogs without springs on the pitch wheel. It's a different technique that has its advantages. Deal with it. No amount of foot-stomping or banging your fists on the floor will compel the world to conform to your petulant demands. Nobody missed anything. I grew up during the 1970s and have played many Moog synths from the 70s - have yet to find one retrofitted with springs on the pitch wheel. If you truly grew up during the 70s, you would had known of a much better solution to returning Minimoog pitch wheel to center position than springs.
There were real players during the 1970s. They cut their teeth on Minimoogs without springs on the pitch wheel. It's a different technique that has its advantages. Deal with it. No amount of foot-stomping or banging your fists on the floor will compel the world to conform to your petulant demands. Nobody missed anything. I grew up during the 1970s and have played many Moog synths from the 70s - have yet to find one retrofitted with springs on the pitch wheel. If you truly grew up during the 70s, you would had known of a much better solution to returning Minimoog pitch wheel to center position than springs.
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Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Hi, Didge!
Thanks, for verifying that it doesn't have a spring, I was curious about that too.
Thanks, for verifying that it doesn't have a spring, I was curious about that too.
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Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Oh yes I just remembered - Moog did actually put a ribbon on the Micromoog and the Polymoog - to control the pitch-bend !
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Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
also asked the same question some other topic.
thanks.
think it's a very good decision not to put a spring. now i can control myself if i want it to return to 0 or stay at the interval i set it to.
wished many many more other companies ( incl moog) would implement the same on their machines. Seriously considered to remove the spring from my voyager, but seems to be difficult to get a wide enough gap of 0 volt+ a good feelingpoint when i'm in the middle
edit ps: on my old model-d a simple modification was made the pitch bend always return to 0 volt, the gap was widdened , so that their was more space in the gutterregion in which it stayed at 0 volt or something like that. always thought it was a very common , well known modification on the pitchwheel...
thanks.
think it's a very good decision not to put a spring. now i can control myself if i want it to return to 0 or stay at the interval i set it to.
wished many many more other companies ( incl moog) would implement the same on their machines. Seriously considered to remove the spring from my voyager, but seems to be difficult to get a wide enough gap of 0 volt+ a good feelingpoint when i'm in the middle
edit ps: on my old model-d a simple modification was made the pitch bend always return to 0 volt, the gap was widdened , so that their was more space in the gutterregion in which it stayed at 0 volt or something like that. always thought it was a very common , well known modification on the pitchwheel...
Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Yes I see what you are saying - and if it works for you great ! However - I play Keyboards / Vocals every week of the year practically and I haven't got time during a song to mess around with getting the pitch wheel in the right position.Its's funny that Moog have the spring return on The Voyager / Sub 37 / Phatty etc..... so why not the Mini ??? Every other manufacturer of keyboards/ synths for the last 25 odd years has put a spring return on the pitch wheel !!
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Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Unfortunately yes
The minimoog has a click in the middle where it is exact 0 volt ( after modification)
Just see it as a tip
The minimoog has a click in the middle where it is exact 0 volt ( after modification)
Just see it as a tip
Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
The pitch wheels on old Moog synths - and likely the model D reissue - have a detent at center position so it is very easy to quickly set the wheel back to pitch.
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I always thought Moog invented the spring return on the pitch wheel. The first Moog product with this feature I know of was the 1972 introduced Sonic Six. Moog called it the "Floating Touch Pitch Bender". My early Sonic Six with a build date of 1973 has this type bender
Can See the mechanism here:
Looking at this type pitch bend setup, it would seem Roland copied the Moog design and put a lever where Moog had an indent on the wheel.
I did find a Moog service bulletin dated May 1984 where a retro fit kit was available for a spring loaded wheel.
I do prefer the early type smooth wheel on the Minimoog. I have a later Norlin era Mini that came with the serrated plastic wheels. Those have a much deeper groove for the center detent. I ended up swapping out the newer style and replacing them with the earlier type.
Can See the mechanism here:
Looking at this type pitch bend setup, it would seem Roland copied the Moog design and put a lever where Moog had an indent on the wheel.
I did find a Moog service bulletin dated May 1984 where a retro fit kit was available for a spring loaded wheel.
I do prefer the early type smooth wheel on the Minimoog. I have a later Norlin era Mini that came with the serrated plastic wheels. Those have a much deeper groove for the center detent. I ended up swapping out the newer style and replacing them with the earlier type.
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Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
Note also the anti-parallel diodes that limit the voltage change at the centre -- an "electrical" deadband. Presumably something like this is on the Mini? It'd also be possible to do it in software if the pitchbend was tied into the MIDI-CV.
Re: No pitch-bend spring return on new minimoogs !!
The official dead band mod from back in the day.
Some liked it, while some claimed it removed the subtle vibrato one could get. Never tried it myself?
Some liked it, while some claimed it removed the subtle vibrato one could get. Never tried it myself?
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