Which simple but effective seuqencer for Voyager
Which simple but effective seuqencer for Voyager
I have considered to trade my Voyager for the Sub37 because of the sequencer. But I like the Voyager better after all.
Is there an external easy going not too expensive sequencer that can do the same job with the Voyager?
Is there an external easy going not too expensive sequencer that can do the same job with the Voyager?
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I 've read only good things about the SQ-1. No memory though. Arturia make some as well.
I'm sure real users will chime in
I'm sure real users will chime in
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Korg SQ-1. It's only $99, and provides a lot of features for something simple and small. No memory as Stiiiiive pointed out (did I get the amount of 'i's right?), but a solid little fun box. Readily available at most music stores & online from the usual retailers. In fact, you could pick one up today from any GC...
Note that if you go with the SQ-1, you'll need a few 1/8" to 1/4" adapters for CV operation, although you could just get away with using MIDI (the SQ-1 comes with a special MIDI output adapter) You'll also want to pick up a USB Power plug (AKA USB Wall Charger) to power the SQ-1, as the thing eats batteries.
Note that if you go with the SQ-1, you'll need a few 1/8" to 1/4" adapters for CV operation, although you could just get away with using MIDI (the SQ-1 comes with a special MIDI output adapter) You'll also want to pick up a USB Power plug (AKA USB Wall Charger) to power the SQ-1, as the thing eats batteries.
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Two are missing, but keep them as a giiftGregAE wrote:No memory as Stiiiiive pointed out (did I get the amount of 'i's right?)
Batteries, right: this is the second possible reason why some don't like the SQ1.
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I love the sq-1. As a modulation/gate sequencer. Not as a melodic sequencer.
Get a beatstep pro. They got a bit of a bad wrap on the initial launch due to buggy firmware, but it's all been resolved. I liked mine so much, that I bought a second one. It is an invaluable tool in my system, and I have 8 sequencers in my setup, not including my DAW.
Here's how you can use the beatstep pro to its fullest, even with only one synth, the voyager. Assuming you have all of the CV I/O of either an XL or a 351/2 setup....
1. Connect midi out of the sequencer into midi in of the voyager.
2. Connect pitch and velocity CV outputs of your sequencer to things like the filter cutoff and/or your other favorite modulation inputs. Connect any of the drum outs of the sequencer to things like the S&H clock input, envelope trigger, LFO sync....
3. Use sequencer lane 1 to program your melodic sequence. If you want you can even feed the sequencer midi FROM the voyager to use the Moog keyboard instead of the pads on the sequencer.
4. Use sequencer lane 2 to program modulations. remember it's connected to pitch and velocity, so think of it like "keyboard tracking" for voltage. Higher notes produce more voltage, and harder notes produce more velocity (which also results in higher voltage).
5. If you run your melodic sequence at a different subdivision from your modulation, and they have different sequence lengths, you can create very intricate patterns that evolve on their own.
6. Program the different drums of sequencer lane 3 as different clock sources. Use it to make your melodic sequencer ratchet by triggering the voyager's envelopes multiple times per step of the melodic sequence.
And save. Yes it's 2.5x the cost of the sq-1. But it's like 20 times more useful.
Get a beatstep pro. They got a bit of a bad wrap on the initial launch due to buggy firmware, but it's all been resolved. I liked mine so much, that I bought a second one. It is an invaluable tool in my system, and I have 8 sequencers in my setup, not including my DAW.
Here's how you can use the beatstep pro to its fullest, even with only one synth, the voyager. Assuming you have all of the CV I/O of either an XL or a 351/2 setup....
1. Connect midi out of the sequencer into midi in of the voyager.
2. Connect pitch and velocity CV outputs of your sequencer to things like the filter cutoff and/or your other favorite modulation inputs. Connect any of the drum outs of the sequencer to things like the S&H clock input, envelope trigger, LFO sync....
3. Use sequencer lane 1 to program your melodic sequence. If you want you can even feed the sequencer midi FROM the voyager to use the Moog keyboard instead of the pads on the sequencer.
4. Use sequencer lane 2 to program modulations. remember it's connected to pitch and velocity, so think of it like "keyboard tracking" for voltage. Higher notes produce more voltage, and harder notes produce more velocity (which also results in higher voltage).
5. If you run your melodic sequence at a different subdivision from your modulation, and they have different sequence lengths, you can create very intricate patterns that evolve on their own.
6. Program the different drums of sequencer lane 3 as different clock sources. Use it to make your melodic sequencer ratchet by triggering the voyager's envelopes multiple times per step of the melodic sequence.
And save. Yes it's 2.5x the cost of the sq-1. But it's like 20 times more useful.
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Are you using a Select Series? Or, are you satisfied with the light on your panel?stiiiiiiive wrote:Two are missing, but keep them as a giiftGregAE wrote:No memory as Stiiiiive pointed out (did I get the amount of 'i's right?)
Batteries, right: this is the second possible reason why some don't like the SQ1.
If the lamp power is free, you could use the 12v output between the MIDI outputs and the CVs to power the SQ1, couldn't you?
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Not inexpensive, but I love the MAQ16/3 to sequence my Voyager. It just does SO much . and a lot less expensive than a 960 suite or an STG Soundlabs Time Suite for the Berlin School stuff I do.
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I have a Møog Mother-32 for melodic sequencing. I only got it last month, so I have not yet tried percussion loops or beat sequences. But I do love it. I'm curious ...
Why use an instrument with a keyboard (like Voyager) to accent / tweak your beats? Why not use a non-key instrument like the Mother-32, and save your Voyager for melodic lines?
I have VERY little experience with beat machines, even though I grew up in the 80s, so any explanations or reasoning you feel like providing (no matter how "obvious" it may be) is much appreciated. I'm here to learn.
Why use an instrument with a keyboard (like Voyager) to accent / tweak your beats? Why not use a non-key instrument like the Mother-32, and save your Voyager for melodic lines?
I have VERY little experience with beat machines, even though I grew up in the 80s, so any explanations or reasoning you feel like providing (no matter how "obvious" it may be) is much appreciated. I'm here to learn.
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Re: Which simple but effective seuqencer for Voyager
+1 for a beatstep pro; since they did the last firmware update, I ve had no problems at all with it. I use it with a voyager rme via midi as i dont have the cv xpander. work great for me, although i do quite minimal stuff with it so I never really pushed its capabilities data wise...
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I really like my Dark Time. Sends MIDI as well as CV with lots of I/O. I can send one row to Voyager via MIDI and the other row to CV in on Mooogerfooger delay controlling Mix or Feedback. Love that it's so tactile (?) with its switches and (lager than SQ1) knobs
Latest gigs
https://youtu.be/Fpvi7Jrq8DQ
http://youtu.be/owdKlBrUUKY
Minimoog Voyager EB & Minitaur + MF-101 + MF-103 + MF-104M + MF-107 + CP-251 + Minifooger Drive. MachineDrum UW + MonoMachine + Rickenbackerbass (-75) + Hagströmguitar (-75).
https://youtu.be/Fpvi7Jrq8DQ
http://youtu.be/owdKlBrUUKY
Minimoog Voyager EB & Minitaur + MF-101 + MF-103 + MF-104M + MF-107 + CP-251 + Minifooger Drive. MachineDrum UW + MonoMachine + Rickenbackerbass (-75) + Hagströmguitar (-75).
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MBlom wrote:I really like my Dark Time. Sends MIDI as well as CV with lots of I/O. I can send one row to Voyager via MIDI and the other row to CV in on Mooogerfooger delay controlling Mix or Feedback. Love that it's so tactile (?) with its switches and (lager than SQ1) knobs
I have a dark time as well. I am still coming to grips with how to use it though: can you control it's notes with a midi keyboard?
I waste a lot of time fiddling with the knobs, to get certain pitches. a keyboard would be a lot easier to setup sequences
disclaimer: I am pretty much a NOOB, so may be missing something obvious
ps do you need a CV voltage adaptor to use it with the Moog? I thought Doepfer used different control voltages
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No, I don't think that's possible. Though you should try changing the 1V/2V/5V-switch to 1V. That way the knob only go one octave which makes it easier to dial certain notes. Less room for extreme CV-values though if you want to use the two rows for both notes and CV control.ummagumma wrote: I have a dark time as well. I am still coming to grips with how to use it though: can you control it's notes with a midi keyboard?
I waste a lot of time fiddling with the knobs, to get certain pitches. a keyboard would be a lot easier to setup sequences
I almost always use 1V. I use the Dark Time in my band doing the bass with Voyager and MF delay. And to leave harmonies open for the others I only do low and high octave, and maybe one or two notes in between. Work really well live! And I have a small MIDI-key to MIDI In to transpose the sequence.
Here's an example of how it sounds. Improvised gig with dancers. DT used from 14.00 to end.
https://youtu.be/g4Vc3TQnfKA
No, but to get full range of control (if you want to go from Min to Max on Moog gear) you have to have it set to 5V. Correct me, someone, if I'm wrong!ummagumma wrote: ps do you need a CV voltage adaptor to use it with the Moog? I thought Doepfer used different control voltages
Latest gigs
https://youtu.be/Fpvi7Jrq8DQ
http://youtu.be/owdKlBrUUKY
Minimoog Voyager EB & Minitaur + MF-101 + MF-103 + MF-104M + MF-107 + CP-251 + Minifooger Drive. MachineDrum UW + MonoMachine + Rickenbackerbass (-75) + Hagströmguitar (-75).
https://youtu.be/Fpvi7Jrq8DQ
http://youtu.be/owdKlBrUUKY
Minimoog Voyager EB & Minitaur + MF-101 + MF-103 + MF-104M + MF-107 + CP-251 + Minifooger Drive. MachineDrum UW + MonoMachine + Rickenbackerbass (-75) + Hagströmguitar (-75).
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hey that was very cool!!
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I'm intrigued! Could you say more?bichuelo wrote: If the lamp power is free, you could use the 12v output between the MIDI outputs and the CVs to power the SQ1, couldn't you?
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To power on my SQ-1 I use my iphone wall charger with USB 2.0 to Printer/scanner cable. It works well, and no barreries needed.weary wrote:I'm intrigued! Could you say more?bichuelo wrote: If the lamp power is free, you could use the 12v output between the MIDI outputs and the CVs to power the SQ1, couldn't you?
Voyager PE, VX-351, 2xCP-251, LittlePhatty SE II, MF-101, MF-102, MF-103, MF-104M, MF-105M, MF-107, MF-108M