Fun with Chameleon

[Filipe]

I was doing something else but found myself jamming with this unusual combination!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2GlZY0Q70

Cheers

[SaussDigit]

I was doing something else but found myself jamming with this unusual combination!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2GlZY0Q70

Cheers

That was too cool!
I believe the ARP Odyssey bass sound was used in the intro of Chameleon...
Thanks for sharing.

[Filipe]

That was too cool!
I believe the ARP Odyssey bass sound was used in the intro of Chameleon...
Thanks for sharing.

Thank you. Yes, the bass was ARP Odyssey.
I kept the Minimoog on my left because it is such an authoritative instrument, specially for bass.
It can re-create almost every other analog synth bass, but the same cannot be said for the ARP (or any other). Just change filter poles, resonance, etc.

Cheers

[SaussDigit]

Thank you. Yes, the bass was ARP Odyssey.
I kept the Minimoog on my left because it is such an authoritative instrument, specially for bass.
It can re-create almost every other analog synth bass, but the same cannot be said for the ARP (or any other). Just change filter poles, resonance, etc.

Cheers

Do you miss the extra keys when playing the Phatty with your right hand? Or the third oscillator?
How do both instruments compare?

[chalhat]

You did it pretty cool actually

[Filipe]

Do you miss the extra keys when playing the Phatty with your right hand? Or the third oscillator?
How do both instruments compare?

Not a difficult question, but the answer is not completely linear.
First, the two instruments don’t compare. Sound quality, playability and versatility in programming sounds are vastly superior in the Minimoog, which is a matured musical instrument that stood the test of time.
Sure I miss the additional fifth interval. You can play three octaves if your song or segment is in F, F#, G, etc. but with a 3 octave C >> C you really have 3 octaves only if you are playing your part in C. If you change key to G (just as in my example) you use the high G in the line that goes down to a lower G that just is not there. You need to resort to inversions and mask the lack of keys. If you are thinking quickly (improvising live) that stress is not welcome, because you cannot imagine and just play. The fluidity of your playing gets lost now and then.
(just watch in which note a grand piano starts and ends). The more keys the better, if you can play.
For some purposes I needed 2 Minimoogs!
Also because of the sound. The 3 oscillator + capable filter set makes the difference in most situations. It makes your main voices so powerful and adequate; it gives you confidence like few instruments do.
The Phatty is a subset of the Minimoog. Having said that,
If I had the possibility of owning two Minimoogs, great.
However I might eventually buy a Phatty if I had the chance.
I am used to it now and I am rather fond of it; I use it to play music, not just experimenting with sound (the latter, nevertheless, is a legitimate use of the instrument as well).
Actually I don’t plan to sell mine. With the right patch and a little add-on it cuts through the mix with delightful texture and can compete with any screaming instrument (I had to lower it down almost 6 db). I has its own merit!

You did it pretty cool actually

Chalhat: thank you, that was nothing much. Just having fun.

Cheers

[SaussDigit]

Not a difficult question, but the answer is not completely linear.
First, the two instruments don’t compare. Sound quality, playability and versatility in programming sounds are vastly superior in the Minimoog, which is a matured musical instrument that stood the test of time.
Sure I miss the additional fifth interval. You can play three octaves if your song or segment is in F, F#, G, etc. but with a 3 octave C >> C you really have 3 octaves only if you are playing your part in C. If you change key to G (just as in my example) you use the high G in the line that goes down to a lower G that just is not there. You need to resort to inversions and mask the lack of keys. If you are thinking quickly (improvising live) that stress is not welcome, because you cannot imagine and just play. The fluidity of your playing gets lost now and then.
(just watch in which note a grand piano starts and ends). The more keys the better, if you can play.
For some purposes I needed 2 Minimoogs!
Also because of the sound. The 3 oscillator + capable filter set makes the difference in most situations. It makes your main voices so powerful and adequate; it gives you confidence like few instruments do.
The Phatty is a subset of the Minimoog. Having said that,
If I had the possibility of owning two Minimoogs, great.
However I might eventually buy a Phatty if I had the chance.
I am used to it now and I am rather fond of it; I use it to play music, not just experimenting with sound (the latter, nevertheless, is a legitimate use of the instrument as well).
Actually I don’t plan to sell mine. With the right patch and a little add-on it cuts through the mix with delightful texture and can compete with any screaming instrument (I had to lower it down almost 6 db). I has its own merit!

So one actually needs one octave+, unless playing everything in C
Are you using your own patches?
Do you see the Taurus as a sort of Minimoog with pedalboard? It gives you the possibility of consistent beating across the octaves...

[EricK]

Fun stuff!

Love Herbie and Chick.

[Filipe]

Fun stuff!

Love Herbie and Chick.

So do I.
Funny as other stuff I used to like did not age well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44KkrH07A30

Cheers

[Filipe]

Are you using your own patches?
Do you see the Taurus as a sort of Minimoog with pedalboard? It gives you the possibility of consistent beating across the octaves...

On the Minimoog I started from 'Velocity Growl'.
On the Phatty I modified slightly one of the factory patches (changed its name...).
About Taurus, it seems a fortunate filter/amplifier coupling incident allows it to shake the house even before it reaches the speakers .
The consistent beating helps dealing with amplitude holes in the sound that are particularly associated with long sustained notes.
Varying beating from note to note is not inherently bad, for instance the piano derives some of its distinctive timbre from that.
Also, there had been piano/bass guitar combined droning some years before the Taurus introduction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHUSiC ... d&start=59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHUSiC ... start=1515

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvp553a ... &start=535

(Won't hear those properly with phones)
But when you consider the amount of resources that it takes to fairly reproduce the sound and convenience of a Taurus, you begin to understand why it developed a family of its own. And if your hands are busy...
(I will P.M. you my address just in cause you are tired of your Taurus).

Cheers