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Post by r05c03 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:46 am

Amos wrote:Mod Bus CV output is past the mod wheel and amount controls, so you have realtime performance control of the modulation. I've used it to allow the LP to be a CV controller keyboard for my Future Retro XS, complete with mod wheel, and it works quite nicely.
But seriously, Amos how do you deal with the fact that the FR XS is a 10 V CV device and Moog stuff is 5 V?
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Post by Sir Nose » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:15 am

r05c03 wrote:
Amos wrote:Mod Bus CV output is past the mod wheel and amount controls, so you have realtime performance control of the modulation. I've used it to allow the LP to be a CV controller keyboard for my Future Retro XS, complete with mod wheel, and it works quite nicely.
But seriously, Amos how do you deal with the fact that the FR XS is a 10 V CV device and Moog stuff is 5 V?
CP-251

I think will take care of that

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Post by r05c03 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:51 am

But I think Amos is saying that he controls his FR XS with Little Phatty, which would mean that the maximum voltage coming from the LP would only be modulating parameters of the FR XS through half of their total range. By no means does a maximum range always have to be used, of course. Does the CP-251 amplify signals too?
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Post by Sir Nose » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:01 pm

Use the mixer section

From the 251 manual

FOUR-INPUT MIXER
A MIXER combines, or adds together, two or more signals. Your CP251's Four-Input
Mixer has four input jacks, labeled 1 through 4. Inputs 1 and 2 have input attenuator
knobs, while inputs 3 and 4 are mixed in without attenuation. The OFFSET knob raises or
lowers the voltage of the mix, while the MASTER knob determines the amplitude of the
entire mix. There are two output jacks, labeled "+" and "-". The "- "output is the negative
of the "+" output. That is, the voltage at the "-" output goes down when the voltage at
the "+" output goes up, and vice versa.

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Post by dave500 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:19 pm

I ask about the LHC mod. it has been put on the back burner for now.

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Post by alamilla » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:57 pm

Bryan T wrote:
dave500 wrote:The CV mod picture.
I need to find a few weeks that I can be without my Little Phatty and then off it goes for its upgrade.
same here
I am producing with mine so frequently don't know if I could live with out it!
and the DSI Mopho just won't cut it

mod does look sweet though

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Post by Portamental » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:14 pm

That looks real good...

now if Option A won't work (too costly to ship back and forth across border)

and Option B (field upgrade) will not either (pity, I have the skills to perform this)

only Option C remains : can I purchase one from Moog, brand new with the CV outs installed?

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Post by CTRLSHFT » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:14 am

Portamental wrote: only Option C remains : can I purchase one from Moog, brand new with the CV outs installed?
Don't see why you couldn't, you should email Amos about it.
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Post by ARP » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:33 pm

Portamental wrote:That looks real good...

now if Option A won't work (too costly to ship back and forth across border)

and Option B (field upgrade) will not either (pity, I have the skills to perform this)

only Option C remains : can I purchase one from Moog, brand new with the CV outs installed?
Great question ! This along with the sequencer idea posted here in the LP Forum would make getting a LP a no brainer for me.
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Post by dave500 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:20 pm

:)
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Post by Amos » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:24 am

r05c03 wrote:
Amos wrote: But seriously, Amos how do you deal with the fact that the FR XS is a 10 V CV device and Moog stuff is 5 V?
The XS pitch CV is 1V per octave, and its gate input actually seems to turn on with anything above ~2-3 Volts. So, I haven't had any problems as far as that goes... for modulation purposes, it's true the Moog CVs will not sweep the full range of the XS CV inputs... as mentioned, a CP-251 can easily double or scale the voltages however you need, or you can just offset them with the XS knobs (adjust filter cutoff or modulation amount to taste on teh XS).

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Post by eXode » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:16 am

I'm sorry if this question has been asked already but I take it that I can connect i.e. an prodigy or rogue and control from the Lil Phatty with this?

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Post by Amos » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:44 am

eXode wrote:I'm sorry if this question has been asked already but I take it that I can connect i.e. an prodigy or rogue and control from the Lil Phatty with this?
The Gate signal format is different on these older Moog synths, but there is a conversion cable that is not very difficult to make, which will allow you to control the older Moog synths with the LP.

Google "v-trig to s-trig" or go here for more info.

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Post by eXode » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:01 am

Amos wrote:
eXode wrote:I'm sorry if this question has been asked already but I take it that I can connect i.e. an prodigy or rogue and control from the Lil Phatty with this?
The Gate signal format is different on these older Moog synths, but there is a conversion cable that is not very difficult to make, which will allow you to control the older Moog synths with the LP.

Google "v-trig to s-trig" or go here for more info.
Thank you for the reply. I also found some info on a site selling ready made converters (www.systemj.co.uk). Cheers!

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Post by jcn7 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:39 am

Hi Amos, I too have an XS and Little Phatty (and the the new Oberheim Sem (mine shipped yesterday)!). My question is will I damage the Little Phatty in any way if I send cv's out from the XS into the little phatty? I just don't want to damage either. Thanks very much! Oh and thank you Amos for all of your latest up and coming updates for the MP201 also! The MP201 is fantastic now, but I can hardly wait for it's new HADRS's plus the other goodies you've mentioned. PS. I also have a chimera bc16 that I'm going to try and interface with the little phatty and XS. Thanks again Amos! Jaime

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