I have the mf-104z and it's really great. The only thing I wish it had was an effects loop that would affect the first repeat. I'm sure there is an explanation for why moog choose to build the circuit this way. But, is there a mod that can be done for a different send and return that would affect the entire delayed signal, starting with the first repeat?
I sent this question to the moog website and got this response. I'm thankful for the response but I don't think he got my concern. I don't want the input signal to have the effect, just the delayed repeats, like a memory man, but way cooler, because it's the mf-104z.
"Hi Michael. Your 104 is functioning properly. The Loop out jack comes after the analog delay chips so you do hear one repeat before the effects loop send. I'd recommend moving your effects processor to the beginning of your chain so you effect the signal before the 104's input. Ryan Tech Support Manager"
Any help would be appreciated.
mf-104z effects loop inquiry
Re: mf-104z effects loop inquiry
you could just take the delay out and run that to your external effects, then take the mix out and record that on a seperate track, with the mix knob tweaked to taste. It's not precisely what you want, but pretty much the same thing if you get the levels right.beatkitchen wrote:I have the mf-104z and it's really great. The only thing I wish it had was an effects loop that would affect the first repeat. I'm sure there is an explanation for why moog choose to build the circuit this way. But, is there a mod that can be done for a different send and return that would affect the entire delayed signal, starting with the first repeat?
I sent this question to the moog website and got this response. I'm thankful for the response but I don't think he got my concern. I don't want the input signal to have the effect, just the delayed repeats, like a memory man, but way cooler, because it's the mf-104z.
"Hi Michael. Your 104 is functioning properly. The Loop out jack comes after the analog delay chips so you do hear one repeat before the effects loop send. I'd recommend moving your effects processor to the beginning of your chain so you effect the signal before the 104's input. Ryan Tech Support Manager"
Any help would be appreciated.
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An idea is to take the signal out of the mf-104z through the mix out and delay out (delay out -> octave pedal) then to a Y cable, then to the amp.
I don't know what this would do. I would really like to figure a way to make this work. The moog has every feature I want but this feature just seems strangely designed.
I had a Blue Echodrive by a company called SIB! It was an awesome sounding tube analog delay but I wanted the CV inputs so I sold it for a great profit (Enough to purchase the Moog). The Moog has a nice overdrive feature just like the Echodrive, all of the great tone, plus the effects loop.
Any other suggestions? Thanks!
I don't know what this would do. I would really like to figure a way to make this work. The moog has every feature I want but this feature just seems strangely designed.
I had a Blue Echodrive by a company called SIB! It was an awesome sounding tube analog delay but I wanted the CV inputs so I sold it for a great profit (Enough to purchase the Moog). The Moog has a nice overdrive feature just like the Echodrive, all of the great tone, plus the effects loop.
Any other suggestions? Thanks!
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beatkitchen
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The amp isn't in the loop. I tried to make a diagram in my last post and it came out weird. It's a normal live setup. Guitar -> Effects -> Amp.EricK wrote:Why is your amp in the loop? Are you processing the tone further with it?
Be careful not to overload the input signal too much so you don't fry anything.
Eric
I'm stuck.