Do you think an updated Analog Delay is in the works?

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Post by EricK » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:25 am

I Know I just want mine to work when I plug it in every time with no hang-ups.
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Post by Bryan T » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:13 pm

Maybe a 104-M with some MIDI tempo control . . .

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Post by Lux_Seeker » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:38 pm

Done!

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Post by EricK » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:46 pm

I think that one thing would be really nice is that if it didn't overload your speakers when you set it to 10. A compressor would eliminate those times where you are blasted out of your seat and you have to reach for the fastest way to get the volume back to normal.

I think that intermittant issues being corrected once and for all would be the top priority imho.

Bryan, how much did it cost you to ship your delay back? I got my RME.

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Post by Bryan T » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:06 pm

EricK wrote:Bryan, how much did it cost you to ship your delay back?


Which time? LOL. I think it was $15 to $20 each time, mainly because I insured it for replacement value. On the third trip back they replaced all of the circuit boards. Feeling it was basically a new unit, I sold it off with a clear conscience.

I want another one, but I'd like to see Moog add some functionality in the form of either tap tempo or a MIDI clock sync. That would make it more useful to me in the studio.

Bryan

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Post by redeyeflight » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:27 pm

modulation and tap tempo is something a lot of other companies have been doing w/ delays and moog could definately update the analog delay w/ some of this stuff. has anyone checked out that malekko 919 analog delay...it's not out yet but the specs look dope and it's supposedly going to be under 3hundo!! still love my mf-104 though...

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Post by Bryan T » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:36 pm

I'm curious about the BBD chips that other builders are using in their analog delays. I'm pretty sure Electro-Harmonix has moved to a cheaper chip for their new analog delays (Deluxe Memory Man XO, Memory Boy, Memory Toy), as the street price on these delays is really low. If the pedals sound good, then I'd like to see Moog look into making a cheaper 104Z or a delay priced in the range of the existing 104Z with added features (tap tempo, built-in modulation, MIDI clock, etc.).

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Post by ColorForm2113 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:31 am

Bryan T wrote:I'm curious about the BBD chips that other builders are using in their analog delays. I'm pretty sure Electro-Harmonix has moved to a cheaper chip for their new analog delays (Deluxe Memory Man XO, Memory Boy, Memory Toy), as the street price on these delays is really low. If the pedals sound good, then I'd like to see Moog look into making a cheaper 104Z or a delay priced in the range of the existing 104Z with added features (tap tempo, built-in modulation, MIDI clock, etc.).

thats exactly true about the EHX delays. there was an article i read somewhere, might have been on their site, about how they only had enough bbds to continue making the original memory man up to 2009 and then they had to redisgn it, hence the XO, boy, and toy.
as much as i would love to see the 104 in like a $300-400 price range, or even less lol, i dont at the same time because that means either features will get cut or sound quailty will suffer and i dont want to see/hear that happen. the only thing i would like to see changed is to make sure that shorting out thing that alot of people were complaining about i fixed :wink:
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Post by Bryan T » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:41 am

ColorForm2113 wrote:as much as i would love to see the 104 in like a $300-400 price range, or even less lol, i dont at the same time because that means either features will get cut or sound quailty will suffer and i dont want to see/hear that happen.


It isn't apparent to me that sound quality would have to suffer with the cheaper BBD chips. Part of the reason delays that use those chips are so expensive is due to the rarity of the chips.

I've tried a few of the cheaper analog delays that are on the market and they sound pretty good to my ears.

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Post by ColorForm2113 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:47 am

i havent had a chance to play with a 104 so i probably have my expectation of the sound way too high, although great im sure its not as magical as i assume. but yeah there are some good sounding cheaper analog delays (carbon copy?) they are all just different
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Post by Bryan T » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:55 am

ColorForm2113 wrote:i havent had a chance to play with a 104 so i probably have my expectation of the sound way too high, although great im sure its not as magical as i assume. but yeah there are some good sounding cheaper analog delays (carbon copy?) they are all just different


It is a great sounding delay, but the sound isn't $XXX better than a Carbon Copy or $YYY better than a Deluxe Memory Man. For me, though, the loop and CV inputs did justify the price premium. If Moog could add more features, but save a bit of production cost by using cheaper BBD chips, then I think it could be a good move.

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Post by MichaelPeterTrowbridge » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:14 am

Bryan T wrote:
CTRLSHFT wrote:My favorite modulation, though, is a fairly dramatic use of a square wave LFO. You attenuate it so that it modulates the repeats up and down an octave. Hypnotic and inspiring.
Bryan


Could we hear that?

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Post by Bryan B » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:24 pm

Is it possible to add some tape delay modes, or wouldn't that work with the bucket brigade design? I would ditch my tape for an updated delay with midi and modes (or programability of some kind).
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Post by MichaelPeterTrowbridge » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:45 pm

Bryan B wrote:Is it possible to add some tape delay modes, or wouldn't that work with the bucket brigade design? I would ditch my tape for an updated delay with midi and modes (or programability of some kind).


I'm currently trying to sell my RE-201 and will save that money for the updated MF-104M;-)

The fact that people like amos haven't yet mentioned a word about it makes me optimistic;-)

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Post by redeyeflight » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:44 pm

I believe that the DMM XO still uses the og BBD chips (gutshot somewhere on TGP) but the Boy and Toy use cheaper, new-production chips (hence their much cheaper price!). Much of the wonderful tone of the MF-104 is the BBD chips and makes it expensive!! Cheaper chips...shittyier sound

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