Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:35 pm
What products would you suggest that "keyboard players" use?
::fingers crossed on that one::latigid on wrote:I would like to know if the freqbox osc goes into the sub-audio range, meaning it can act as a multi-waveformed (continuously so!) LFO.
i think the video demo could have been better. i wasn't impressed so much with the sounds the actually made in the demo, but it did give me a pretty good idea of what would be possible. having an analog oscillator that you can hard-sync will produce completely different sounds from a ring modulator and will provide a very useful signal, full of upper harmonics. with the ring modulator, you don't really end up with more harmonics than you put into it. so while these modules may sound kind of similar alone, i think you'll notice how different they are once you start sending the output through a low-pass filter like the mf101. i will probably put the mf107 before the mf101 most of the time in the filter chain, but i tend to put the mf102 after it (and then the mf103 phaser after that).musicalhair wrote: As for the Freq Box, I voted "wait to try one/reviews" but really I'd have to hear something very different than the samples/demo video I saw. When I saw that a new moogerfooger pedal was coming out I was pretty interested. The murf samples blew me away and I just got one (finally!!!), so I had high hopes for the freqbox not even knowing what it might actually be. To me it just seems to make or add noise, not very musical noise at that either. If the demo video is a good representation of it's range of sounds, then I dont' see it being very useful to me. The Ring Mod seems to have covered the same sonic ground the freqbox is going for, but in a better and more musical way.
I'm also pretty sure I'm wrong and really just waiting for someone to show a more useful range of sound from it.
I totally agree. I was even pretty impressed with what I heard on the video. while I realize that FM is not super different than Ring Mod, and isn't even all that unusual of a sound (in as far as most people who already have a synth can already get these tones). I felt like the hard-sync thing is fairly revolutionairy... at least I've never seen or heard a VCO that hard syncs to normal audio signals... but the whole thing in total-- with FM, sync, and an envelope follower for both the pitch and dynamics of the VCO--- that seems like a pretty big package of effects to me.chris allert wrote:having an analog oscillator that you can hard-sync will produce completely different sounds from a ring modulator and will provide a very useful signal, full of upper harmonics. with the ring modulator, you don't really end up with more harmonics than you put into it. so while these modules may sound kind of similar alone, i think you'll notice how different they are once you start sending the output through a low-pass filter like the mf101.musicalhair wrote: As for the Freq Box, I voted "wait to try one/reviews" but really I'd have to hear something very different than the samples/demo video I saw. When I saw that a new moogerfooger pedal was coming out I was pretty interested. The murf samples blew me away and I just got one (finally!!!), so I had high hopes for the freqbox not even knowing what it might actually be. To me it just seems to make or add noise, not very musical noise at that either. If the demo video is a good representation of it's range of sounds, then I dont' see it being very useful to me. The Ring Mod seems to have covered the same sonic ground the freqbox is going for, but in a better and more musical way.
I agree with a lot of that. IT seems to me that the Octave up pedals a la Hendrix are like ring mod but maybe they're more related to this freq box-- I dont' really know.eric coleridge wrote: I also don't see how any effect could be less "musical" than Ring Mod. To me, RM is about the least musical effect you could possibly use. I'm guessing this Freq Box will have much more musical application... It seems like it will have a similar application as an Octave pedal (although, apparently very different...). Octave pedals are used all over rock music recordings, etc... I'm thinking the 107 will cover similar ground (as well as doing RM type stuff, and distortion, and weird synth stuff). And it sounds kind of original too...
Octavers are square wave generators that output a frequency at various mathmatical divisions of the input frequency (typically up or down an octave or two). These two signals are mixed at the output.musicalhair wrote: I agree with a lot of that. IT seems to me that the Octave up pedals a la Hendrix are like ring mod but maybe they're more related to this freq box-- I dont' really know.
Yeah, I'm the same way... I rarely use more than 1 or 2 effects at any one time... seems like whatever signal you're processing tends to get obscured too much past 2 or 3 effects... but then that may be one's application...musicalhair wrote: I tend to switch up my effects often and try not to run so many at one time, but I need to get my ring mod, low pass, murf and cp 251 together for a "play-date"
Paraphrasing the manual:CTRLSHFT wrote:::fingers crossed on that one::latigid on wrote:I would like to know if the freqbox osc goes into the sub-audio range, meaning it can act as a multi-waveformed (continuously so!) LFO.