What type of Moogerfooger should Moog make next?

[Spank]

my filter needs a friggin good fuzz, the ones that are used on the synth.

[OysterRock]

Everyone and their mother has released a fuzz pedal, its been done to death. Anyone with a soldering iron and some transistors can whip up a fuzz. The last thing the world needs is ANOTHER fuzz pedal, IMHO, even if it is a Moog.

Moog/Bode Frequency Shifter all the way.

[godzilla]

don't get me wrong they all make sense and are good options for a poll like this, i just meant it's a bit unfair on the flanger or fuzz to be forced to try to compete with a fully functional guitar synth.
imagine a "best effects unit" poll where 4 boss pedals had to compete with a fooger. it's just not fair.
but yeah, who cares about fairness, bring on the guitar synth (wait i voted for the flanger )

[eric coleridge]

so really what else is there besides a tone gen type module, and analog effects pedals?

I agree.... these aren't really new instruments, they're just really well made, accessable versions of older effects and processors that draw from Moog's modular tradition. So, yeah, what else would they make?

Even the MURF isn't really a strictly "new" idea. It's a string filter (a popular rack processor from Moog's past) combined with a mini sequencer (animation). So, it seems like any of these choices listed in the poll are a pretty good guess at what might come around next. I really like most all the Moogers that they've put out so far, so it's interesting to speculate on what else might come out.

the cv sequencer idea is even a little far fetched, but i included it anyway because the cp-251 unit showed us that moog is interested in the modular approach in some respects.

I'd think a CV sequencer is a fairly likely candidate for the next Moog product. For one thing, Moog was well known for their sequencers in the past (like their Low Pass Filter, String Filter, Phaser, MiniMoog, and others) and this type of re-introduction of popular older products (with updated functions) is totally in keeping with what Moog has been doing in the recent past. Plus, a sequencer would work well and add alot to all of the instruments and Moogers currently being made.

I'd also love to see a new (Bode) Frequency Shifter, a Filter Bank, and a P/V Oscillator. I think a High Pass/Band Pass filter would be great too-- but it doesn't seem like a particularly Moogy effect. I don't think they ever made a High or Band Resonant filter-- not that that should stop them, but...

Incidentally, I rememeber reading an article on the internet once where Bob Moog was talking about weird inventions that never made it to production and one thing he mentioned was a specially designed 4-Oscillator synth controlled by a Pitch to Voltage (I presumed) gizmo that he made for a famous saxophone player-- so that the synth could be played from the saxophone. So, it seems like a natural progression to try to make something of this sort for guitar players (seeing as the other Moogers are designed as guitar effects).

[redeyeflight]

I see how cats could be down on the whole fuzz/overdrive thing. There really are a million of those out there. However some type of votage controlled fuzz/overdrive could be very unique. Zvex has sort of done it with the fuzz probe pedal but the probe part only controlls the oscillation frequency. Moog could make something where you could control the fuzz level or the harmonic content of the overdrive with a voltage control. Or maybe put an effects loop into it like the analog delay has. What does anyone think about my previous idea of an analog whammy pedal like the old ada harmony synthesizer? To me this could be the closest to getting that guitar synth sound everyone's looking for...especially if there was a way to use the analog whammy sort of like a glide or portamento control on the voyager and make the notesz meld into eachother...

[eric coleridge]

I like octave pedals (and pitch shifter/harmonizer effects) alot, but what I really want from another Mooger is a independent tone generator/oscillator that could be used with the Low Pass Filter(and the others) to complete a simple little modular synthesizer.

They've given us all these CV/modular controls and capabilities (and turned me and others on to the fun and functionality of this technology) -- but they've stopped short of allowing us to create the patches and sounds of a fully functional modular synthesizer.

i think one way that people have been imagining this imagined Oscillator Mooger to appeal to guitar and other instrumentalists (and not just aspiring Mooger CV modular users) is to make the oscillator controllable from the input signal via pitch to voltage circuit.

I also really dig your idea of rocker-pedal controllable pitch shifter type effect. This would probably be a very dramatic and bizzare sound... but I would think that this type of real-time pitch shifting might have to be accomplished using digital circuits. Even basic Pitch Shifting is (as far as I know) a typically digital type of sound effect (thinking of the first 70s Eventide Harmonizer, etc.). Maybe not a typically Moog sort of processor. But then again, who am I to say?

[redeyeflight]

I believe you're right however, ADA did make something called the harmony synthesizer in the late 70's that was sort of an analog delay/pitch shifter. Here's an excerpt from the Analogman guide to vintage effetcs that explains it: "Designed by A/DA founder David Tarnowski, it's a rather elaborate analog delay and pitch transposer. The pitch transposing is accomplised without the use of digital technology by means of a painfully complex circuit that includes no less than 42 IC chips and has fourteen internal trimpots...The sound quality is pretty lo-fi, especially compared to something like an Eventide Harmonizer...One unique feature was the ability to create polyphonic octave effects." Apparently there were only 800 of them made...rarer than moog's first analog delay! Anyway, I think this type of idea could be put to great use by moog and they could use existing analog delay circuits that they've already developed. For the musician looking to stay completely analog it might be a wonderful and crazy alternative to the whammy pedal...just a thought

[bentropy]

I'm new here but get ready to hate me: I want a midi-beat-clock to mooger-tempo interface. I like to sync effects and sequencers, esp to be able to combine different time signatures and note values. I voted for the step sequencer with these kinds of synchro-sonic/conversion features in mind.

If I send a metronomic pulse (e.g. a drum hit per beat) from my sequencer to a tap-in of, say, the delay or murf, will that sync the moogers to midi? Can audio be used as CV like this or will blood shoot from the pedal board?

[OysterRock]

If I send a metronomic pulse (e.g. a drum hit per beat) from my sequencer to a tap-in of, say, the delay or murf, will that sync the moogers to midi?

I dont have a MuRF, but I'm fairly certain this will work with the MuRF as long the metronomic signal is as square wave like as possible. This won't work with the delay, though. The delay time is controlled by a DC voltage.

Can audio be used as CV like this..

Yes, on the circuit level they are the same thing. They are both just signals to a circuit.

....or will blood shoot from the pedal board?

Sounds like an interesting new feature. How 'bout it moog?

[bentropy]

thanks for the response

Yes, on the circuit level they are the same thing. They are both just signals to a circuit.

So, lemme test this idea...
Feeding a drum loop into, say, the mf-101's cutoff control input, will open the 101's filter? Will high frequencies in the audio (e.g. high-hat) open it and low frequencies (bass drum) close it, or is it just the amplitude level of the audio that serves as an increase in CV level?

What about sending a full mix audio signal into, say, the 103's sweep input? Will the sweep frequency jump around in response to...what? Frequencies in the mix? Amplitude levels in mix?


I guess I need to try this stuff, but any clarification is appreciated. I'm fairly experienced with synths and samplers, but not with real CV, since I'm a child of MIDI.

[latigid on]

So, lemme test this idea...
Feeding a drum loop into, say, the mf-101's cutoff control input, will open the 101's filter? Will high frequencies in the audio (e.g. high-hat) open it and low frequencies (bass drum) close it, or is it just the amplitude level of the audio that serves as an increase in CV level?

The only way to trigger the 101's gate is to input a signal into its audio in. If you like, you can then patch the envelope out to other moog FX or whatever. The envelope amount is controlled by amplitude, not pitch. You could find a pitch to CV converter...

What about sending a full mix audio signal into, say, the 103's sweep input? Will the sweep frequency jump around in response to...what? Frequencies in the mix? Amplitude levels in mix?

I haven't tried this. You can use an audio signal, e.g. an MF-102 carrier out as a modulation source. I quite often do this, patching it to the frequency control of the MF-101. You get a "gritty" sounding filter, as the modulation is quite fast. So, an audio mix would probably end up distorting something.

[OysterRock]

thanks for the response

Feeding a drum loop into, say, the mf-101's cutoff control input, will open the 101's filter? Will high frequencies in the audio (e.g. high-hat) open it and low frequencies (bass drum) close it, or is it just the amplitude level of the audio that serves as an increase in CV level?

Feeding a drum loop into the cutoff control may give you some results, but they aren't going to be very good because the signal hasn't been "conditioned" to work well as an envelope (it must be rectified, then filtered, then set to a proper amplitude). And as latigid on said, its amplitude that controls the cutoff.

What about sending a full mix audio signal into, say, the 103's sweep input? Will the sweep frequency jump around in response to...what? Frequencies in the mix? Amplitude levels in mix?

Same as above.

The best thing to do with CV is experiment, sometime results can be not what you expected!

[stimbox]

They used to make a dual vco rack mount.

[eric coleridge]

They used to make a dual vco rack mount.

"They" still do:

www.moogce.com

for $750, I think.

[stimbox]

i'd rather have a mooger fooger dual oscillator.