how do i get ADSR effects with moogers?

[spacefuzzz]

i got the ring and phase. do i need the low pass and the cp-251 or???

[CTRLSHFT]

i got the ring and phase. do i need the low pass and the cp-251 or???

i'm currently jerry-rigging a 2 osc synth using two mf-102's for carrier oscs, mf-101 for filtering, and a mf-105 + CP-251 to make a ADR. you can obviously spice things up alot more, but below is the essence of it.

audio signal path : carrier out from both 102's are summed into a single lead (sine waves), then goes to the mf-105's input. the mf-105's audio out goes to the mf-101's input, mf-101's outs go to the mixer.

CV signal path:
cv-midi controller's cv out goes to cp-251 mult. take two leads out of the mult and hook into the mf-102s' freq in. now we have pitch control. set the mf-102's to both to HI on carrier setting and rotate knob to 30hz, try to see how close to matching pitch you can get on the two oscs, or make fifths etc.

cv-midi controller's gate out goes to the cp-251's cv mixer. turn all knobs to 10, and the offset to -5. take the negative cv output from the mixer, run this into the lag processor input. the lag processor will give you the ability to use attack and decay. add another cp-251 and chain to the next lag processor for even longer release and attack times.

from the output of the lag processor, run it into the MIX in on the mf-105. this will control the gating of the signal. set animation to the first setting on A and drop all the murf sliders to zero. drop rate to zero. set the murf mix knob to 5. you'll notice the constant drone is now gated, and the lag processor knobs effect the attack and release.

have fun if you can get the unit's together!

FYI: you also use a mf-101 mix knob to do this in a very abridged way for just a AR type env. just drop the env and cutoff knobs to zero and set the mix knob so that the gating effect kicks in.

[Impossible Sound]

The MF-101 has an envelpoe output - it tracks whatever is plugged into it.

On the CP-251, you can plug the LFO square out into the Lag Processor to make a basic ADR envelope. It's not triggerable, it just runs at the rate of the LFO.

[spacefuzzz]

On the CP-251, you can plug the LFO square out into the Lag Processor to make a basic ADR envelope

so its not triggered? i play guitar i should mention. i should get the cp-251 anyway. ive heard a clip of the EHX microsynth and thats the sound im thinking. fast attack, slow attack etc...

[Impossible Sound]

With the MF-101, you can run the ENV out into the lag processor on the CP-251, which will create a longer attack or decay than the original guitar signal.

[spacefuzzz]

With the MF-101, you can run the ENV out into the lag processor on the CP-251, which will create a longer attack or decay than the original guitar signal.

well that sounds promising. i wish there were clips of this thats alot of cash to put down on two units but im sure it worth it. i guess....

[asd]

You can get an idea of how the 101's envelope follower and the cp-251's lag processor will sound by listening to the 101 clips.

The "Electric Guitar with extreme MF-101" clip is an example of when the envelope is set to "fast" and follows the contours of your guitar's volume with a lot of sensitivity. The next clip with "Electric Guitar with MF-101" has the env follower set to smooth, which more or less shows how putting the envelope cv from the first clip through the lag processor would sound. The lag processor would let you stretch out the signal even more.

The 251 let's you do so much that I don't think you can go wrong with it. At the same time, it won't be an envelope generator/adsr like you would get with a synth (you can approximate the sound somewhat, but you won't be able to have an independent trigger).

[spacefuzzz]

ok i heard them. i got the idea what it could sound like. the only thing that turns me off about the 101 is the volume drop. do newer models still have this problem.

[redeyeflight]

An electro harmonix attack/decay pedal would do it for you-unfortunately it's very rare and expensive. Another option outside the moogerfooger realm is the maestro envelope modifier...kinda hard to find but not nearly as expensive as the attack/decay and has everything you'd want on it. BTW, if you want that kind of synthy fuzzy sound of the electroharmonix micro synth the two moogerfooger pedals you need are the ring modulator and the lowpass filter....plug the ring mod into the lowpass and you can either manually filter the ring mod with and expression pedal hooked up into the cutoff frequency of the lowpass or just let it filter using the lopass' envelope generator. A high resonance on the lowpass will enhance the effect and and make sure you set the ring mod's frequency range rather high...wonderful guitar synth sounds!!!!!

[spacefuzzz]

ah the elusive EHX Attack/Decay yeah ive read so much about that pedal but yes very rare and very $$$. do you find that you have to set the drive very high on the low pass to get some usable sounds? i have to get ahold of a true bypass pedal for the moogers.

[asd]

ok i heard them. i got the idea what it could sound like. the only thing that turns me off about the 101 is the volume drop. do newer models still have this problem.

Don't know if you want to go this route, but since the 101 has mix control you could either: use an expresssion pedal to switch between 100% wet and dry signals (kinda like using a volume pedal to control your guitar's overdrive on your amp instead of switching channels) OR buy one of those footswitch-type boxes the guy on ebay has been selling that let you preset some different cv settings (that way you could switch between the wet and dry).

I would think you could avoid the slight volume drop this way

[spacefuzzz]

or buy a true bypass looper??

[asd]

Even if you bypassed with a loooper type pedal, wouldn't you need to have something else to match the volumes of the bypassed signal and the not bypassed signal? Otherwise it seems like you'd run into the same volume drop problem and only eliminate the coloration from the Moog preamps.

I might be completely off here though

[spacefuzzz]

. all i know is that i hate vol drops

[4mal]

I run the 101 in the eff loop of a Radial Bassbone, along with MXR Bass Octave and Maxon FL-01 flange in my live bass rig. At the end of the chain is a compressor set to even out the gain structure. I'm running the Radial's Boost up into the loop. The MF-101 seems to like the extra signal.

I'm only a week into the 101 so I'm not 100% yet but it seems like a promising route. I'm totally digging the 'organic-ness' of the 101. With flatwounds it's totally french horn/ trombone land up high and tuba / souzaphone way down low. Way cool!