Vocoderfooger, Please.

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Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by jsharpphoto » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:55 pm

How many units would Moog have to sell to make a vocoder moogerfoger profitable? And do you think there is a big enough market? I would buy one in a heartbeat.

Until then, I'll keep using my electro-harmonics.
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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by DonutDude » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:17 pm

I might be interested in something like that.

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Post by jsharpphoto » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:52 pm

It seems like the appropriate form factor. Clearly the v256 from EHX is even smaller.
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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by latigid on » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:01 pm

Analogue or digital?

If you want to see what the former would take (in through hole nonetheless) check out the L1 vocoder for Eurorack.

Digital is much easier, try the just released Warps by Mutable Instruments.

Or do you mean something with several oscillators included in the box?

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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by jsharpphoto » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:13 pm

I was thinking analog, but no oscillators of its own. An adjustable number of bands, some compression for the vocal mic, and some blend controls.
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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by meterman » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:33 pm

Yes a Vocoder needs to be a fooger for sure :D

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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by jsharpphoto » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:45 pm

meterman wrote:Yes a Vocoder needs to be a fooger for sure :D
There must be some technical aspect to it that we are overlooking. There has to be a reason they haven't done one already. Maybe someone from Moog will chime in.
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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by latigid on » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:32 am

jsharpphoto wrote:
meterman wrote:Yes a Vocoder needs to be a fooger for sure :D
There must be some technical aspect to it that we are overlooking. There has to be a reason they haven't done one already. Maybe someone from Moog will chime in.
Just to reiterate: look at what goes into an analogue vocoder with the L1 DIY model. It is available from analog haven for $1720, no power or case included.

Technical aspects:
  • 24 decent filters take up lots of PCB space. It would be smaller with SMD, but they would be pushing it to fit onto an MF-sized board
  • Custom compander/VCA chips or even more PCB space to build them discrete
  • Matched transistor chips (e.g. THAT300) to keep the filters in tune
  • High power requirements (0.5A bipolar)
  • ?? Unusual form factor for a 'fooger (XLR input), although they do have MIDI on some.
The market is too limited for a risky (expensive) venture. Vocoders are best when your carrier is constant, like an oscillator drone, the brighter/buzzier the better. Doable with a guitar but not as fun!

Now, if they break the taboo and go for a digital 'fooger, all bets are off! It could work pretty well with the animoog engine as an all-in-one setup.

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Re: Vocoderfooger, Please.

Post by jsharpphoto » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:07 pm

I think the EHX vocoder a sound pretty good, and they are digital.

I don't really see Moog making this, as stated, it's incredibly specialized.
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