MF-104M Discontinued?

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by Marcie609 » Tue May 12, 2015 8:45 pm

I hear there's a landfill full of chips right next to the Atari E.T. site ...

Actually I panic bought a 104 3 years ago because they were "limited" & the original version actually was limited.
then I panic bought a Clusterflux a month later because it was also limited.
I'll get my Sub 37 Tribute Edition in 2 weeks. (also Limited)

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by bichuelo » Tue May 12, 2015 8:50 pm

didlisquat wrote:Does the Clusterflux use some of the same chips as the MF~104M ?
As far as I know, all other products from Moog which use BBDs don't use exactly the same chip.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by MC » Tue May 12, 2015 9:06 pm

didlisquat wrote:Does the Clusterflux use some of the same chips as the MF~104M ?
Clusterflux is digital delay based, but does not use BBDs.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by Gladmarr » Tue May 12, 2015 9:59 pm

MC wrote:
didlisquat wrote:Does the Clusterflux use some of the same chips as the MF~104M ?
Clusterflux is digital delay based, but does not use BBDs.

From the moog page for the Clusterflux:
More than just a simple Chorus/Flange pedal, the Cluster Flux is the ultimate time modulation pedal! From subtle swirling to complete insanity, the Cluster Flux defies the laws of time and space. This limited edition 100% analog Moogerfooger features a Bucket Brigade Chip based delay line that oozes vibe and tone. Like all Moogerfoogers, it’s built like a tank for a lifetime of use.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by c7sus » Tue May 12, 2015 10:23 pm

MC wrote:
didlisquat wrote:Does the Clusterflux use some of the same chips as the MF~104M ?
Clusterflux is digital delay based, but does not use BBDs.
http://www.analoguehaven.com/moog/mf108m/

"the design includes high voltage mn3007 bbd's for their superior headroom and excellent signal to noise ratio."

Also refer to MF-108M manual, page 11.

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by Gladmarr » Tue May 12, 2015 11:34 pm

Beside that, the Clusterflux is way too noisy to be digital.





...maybe 80s digital.....
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by c7sus » Wed May 13, 2015 12:18 am

Gladmarr wrote:Beside that, the Clusterflux is way too noisy to be digital.
...maybe 80s digital.....
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by hieronymous » Wed May 13, 2015 12:48 pm

I have a question that is probably stupid but that's never stopped me - why can't more bucket brigade chips be manufactured?

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by _DemonDan_ » Wed May 13, 2015 1:05 pm

hieronymous wrote:I have a question that is probably stupid but that's never stopped me - why can't more bucket brigade chips be manufactured?
They can. But, since their primary application is for delaying audio while corrupting it in a pleasing way, it is not useful for the vast majority of modern consumer and commercial electronic devices. So, the price to make them is not offset by massive volume.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by hieronymous » Wed May 13, 2015 2:00 pm

_DemonDan_ wrote:
hieronymous wrote:I have a question that is probably stupid but that's never stopped me - why can't more bucket brigade chips be manufactured?
They can. But, since their primary application is for delaying audio while corrupting it in a pleasing way, it is not useful for the vast majority of modern consumer and commercial electronic devices. So, the price to make them is not offset by massive volume.
Thanks! I guess I should have figured that it wasn't cost-effective, even cost-prohibitive. Maybe some analog-loving billionaire would be willing to fund such a project? :mrgreen:

And maybe I shouldn't have asked at all - it was more romantic having a vision of some mystical element that no longer exists or something like that...

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by Gladmarr » Wed May 13, 2015 2:58 pm

hieronymous wrote:And maybe I shouldn't have asked at all - it was more romantic having a vision of some mystical element that no longer exists or something like that...
It would be way more mystical to think they were made out of long extinct faerie tears or something. I think it just comes down to Panasonic (or whoever) doesn't see a profit motive in it anymore.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by GregVDS » Fri May 15, 2015 7:33 am

I just got the 104M sn 3977 from KeyMusic Brussels, Belgium :-).
That and a Strymon BigSky.

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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by benulous » Fri May 15, 2015 7:57 am

GregVDS wrote:I just got the 104M sn 3977 from KeyMusic Brussels, Belgium :-).
That and a Strymon BigSky.
Nice! I've been looking at the BigSky for a while! What a wicked little box! As soon as I recover from my 'fooger splurge, I'm hitting that next...unless Moog offers a reverb alternative, of course *cough, hint, cough*
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by MC » Sat May 16, 2015 11:32 pm

c7sus wrote:
MC wrote:
didlisquat wrote:Does the Clusterflux use some of the same chips as the MF~104M ?
Clusterflux is digital delay based, but does not use BBDs.
http://www.analoguehaven.com/moog/mf108m/

"the design includes high voltage mn3007 bbd's for their superior headroom and excellent signal to noise ratio."

Also refer to MF-108M manual, page 11.

http://www.moogmusic.com/products/mooge ... nloads-tab
I had to verify, as I couldn't find any DIP components in my MF108M.

Then I spotted pads for DIP8 components. They are on the opposite side of the board!

You have to disassemble the thing to get to them, but there is indeed an MN3007 and MN3009 BBD in the MF108M.
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Re: MF-104M Discontinued?

Post by EricK » Sun May 17, 2015 12:25 am

What about the 500 series? Nothing about its suspension.
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