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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby jmcecil » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:21 pm

Ears are also responsible for horrible confirmation bias aliasing... :roll:

I have actual oscilloscopes, tone generators etc.. For the practical purposes of the discussion the scopes and analysis tools on the computer through quality DACs is sufficient. The wave shapes on the One are NOT voyager shapes. They are closer to D shapes. The harmonic analysis has a couple of unique factors .. including a broader low bass and a upper mid push on the ONE. No need to be pico accurate to hear this to be true.
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby PhilAiken » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:22 pm

jmcecil wrote:Ears are also responsible for horrible confirmation bias aliasing... :roll:

I have actual oscilloscopes, tone generators etc.. For the practical purposes of the discussion the scopes and analysis tools on the computer through quality DACs is sufficient. The wave shapes on the One are NOT voyager shapes. They are closer to D shapes. The harmonic analysis has a couple of unique factors .. including a broader low bass and a upper mid push on the ONE. No need to be pico accurate to hear this to be true.



I know you are quite aware of this, so really posting to tother readers. All this stuff is true WHEN you master the oscillators/filters/envelopes and dial things in.
There is a tendency, which I totally understand, to grab an init patch, turn on the default saw waves, crank up some resonance on the ladder filter and expect to hear a Mini. Doesn't happen. You really need to dial in the harmonic content in the Oscillators, realize that the filter does not behave in the exact same way, mess with the envelopes, etc.
After a while, one can get pretty good on taking any random Mini patch and matching it on the One. At that point it is subjective as to which sounds better. But then, you can make the One patch polyphonic, add all kinds of modulation and performance parameters, etc. etc.
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby MWK » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:31 am

PhilAiken wrote:There is a tendency, which I totally understand, to grab an init patch, turn on the default saw waves, crank up some resonance on the ladder filter and expect to hear a Mini. Doesn't happen.


I miss the immediacy of that! What would you suggest as a shortcut to Mini on the One?
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby jmcecil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:43 pm

MWK wrote:
PhilAiken wrote:There is a tendency, which I totally understand, to grab an init patch, turn on the default saw waves, crank up some resonance on the ladder filter and expect to hear a Mini. Doesn't happen.


I miss the immediacy of that! What would you suggest as a shortcut to Mini on the One?

I made a set of saw, and shark presets that were pre-gain staged. Now if I start with one of those, the interface is nearly identical and just as immediate. And, the sound is more open and "buzzy" than the stock init.

I can't remember every tweak, but it's mostly overcoming the odd setup of the main init patch. However, I made a copies so that I have an SVF version, series and parallel version of each.

Osc 1 mixer to full (it's not in the init)
Osc 1 waveshape to full saw (it's not quite in the init)
Filter full Open (it's not in the default)
VCA full Open (it's not in the default)
Sustain on Amp and Filter EG full open and all others full closed (it's not in the default)
EG to Filters full open (it's not in the default)
Set Synth 1 to mono (it's not in the default)
Set EG attacks to 50% Log ... this needs to be messed with quite a bit, but log on the attack seems more "correct" to me.

Those are the main ones. I did a few other little things. But really the stock init patch is like a dialed back platform for Poly use. By just opening things up and starting from a more aggressive "D" vibe I was able to get mono synth sounds that had a more familiar feel much faster. But, it is NOT a great starting point for poly sounds.

Here's an opinion on poly ... go find any great non-piano-ish (clav etc..) "poly" sound and you will find that it is swamped in chorus or phaser. I get absolutely fabulous poly sounds if you I use good external effects. I think another issue folks are having with the One from a poly standpoint is they are expecting the JP and Juno experience just turning on the chorus for the instant OHHH YEAHHHH BABY. The internal chorus just doesn't do that magic thing. However, sending out to my MF-103 with a spring reverb and OOOOHHH YEEEAAAH BABY!!!! Unfortunatley the only tri-chorus I have is a plugin ... so waiting for that B clone Juno Chorus :D
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby jmcecil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:56 pm

Another biggie for Poly ... use the SVF

Also, use the SVF in LP and the Ladder in HP in series for 12 db mono. Unfortunately it doesn't self oscillate so you don't quite get to those really aggressive ends of the scale.
You can also use the SVF in parallel to get the bass back into the Ladder.
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby PhilAiken » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:35 pm

To add to the excellent posts above - Putting the 2 filters in series, SVF in LP, Cutoff at Max, resonance cranked, but listening only to the output of the Ladder can get things even more aggressive and buzzy.
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Re: Moog One - Not For Everybody

Postby jmcecil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:04 pm

PhilAiken wrote:To add to the excellent posts above - Putting the 2 filters in series, SVF in LP, Cutoff at Max, resonance cranked, but listening only to the output of the Ladder can get things even more aggressive and buzzy.

Oh yeah .. this for sure. I was really surprised how much interactions the filters have even when one or the other is off ...

This reminded me of another little quirk that helped my D Init patches.
The filter mix knob needs to be max towards the filter being used (unless of course you are blending). There seems to be a db or two drop at the center of the mix knob.
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