Moog One vs Other Polysynths

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by Iaamusic » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:48 pm

More power to others who are inspired by the Moog One, I guess.


Indeed!

If we all thought the same a poorer world it would be. For me it looks pretty much perfect feature wise and I am expecting it to sound awesome as befits the Moog name. I cannot believe the musicians, engineers and corporate team at Moog would spend 5 years developing a turkey!!

I want mine quickly I have two projects I want to use it all over.

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by thealien666 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:50 pm

I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Moog One is a turkey. Not at all.
It's a fantastic machine, with literally tons of possibilities. But maybe the engineers got lost in the features and forgot about the fondamental building block: the sound ?

Anyway, I sincerely hope that everyone who gets one will be 100% satisfied with it, all things considered.
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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by timmy » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:04 pm

Iaamusic wrote: ... I want mine quickly I have two projects I want to use it all over.


I hope you receive it soon, too! I would love to hear some of this once its done. Heck, maybe this could be the catalyst to change my impressions of the Moog One.

Enjoy it!
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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by conradk » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:23 pm

timmy wrote:I own many of their products: Polymoog/Polypedals, T1, T3, Micromoog, all of the MoogerFoogers, CP-251, Voyager, and Sub37.


I wan't going to contribute more to this thread... but... :D
I would value you getting in front of one and giving us your opinion.

I've been watching 'how the sausage is made' live streams. Moog has guts for live streaming production/validation stations, it is very obvious that the one is a very ambitious project and a complicated synth to build. I don't own a Poly but I've heard they are a bear to repair so the fact that the Moog one design/build is difficult shouldn't be a surprise. I follow the 'steinway' example, I'd rather have a solidly-built synth if it is going to be super complicated.

I don't know due to the differences in modern components if we can't get back to the imperfections/irregularities of the 80s, or if designing a similar sound is not possible with the 'modern architecture' and lack of available chipsets. Although my ears have long since been damaged by rock and roll, I still plan to work on determining which is more true.

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by PhilAiken » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:55 pm

thealien666 wrote:I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Moog One is a turkey. Not at all.
It's a fantastic machine, with literally tons of possibilities. But maybe the engineers got lost in the features and forgot about the fondamental building block: the sound ?

Anyway, I sincerely hope that everyone who gets one will be 100% satisfied with it, all things considered.


The sound is fantastic, and the tonal range is immense. It just doesn't sound like 16 minimoogs in a box, and similar settings will give you different results. It is its own thing. It is capable of so much, that you need to make it sound the way you wish.

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Post by thealien666 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:08 pm

PhilAiken wrote: It is capable of so much, that you need to make it sound the way you wish.


I don't think the One is capable of sounding exactly the way I wish, no. Because it can't sound like a polyphonic Minimoog D, or at least a Memorymoog. Which, for that much money, it should have been able to.
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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by PhilAiken » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:40 pm

thealien666 wrote:
PhilAiken wrote: It is capable of so much, that you need to make it sound the way you wish.


I don't think the One is capable of sounding exactly the way I wish, no. Because it can't sound like a polyphonic Minimoog D, or at least a Memorymoog. Which, for that much money, it should have been able to.



About that you are correct. I guess "the way you wish within its given tonal scope." It does not sound like 16 Minimoogs in a box, nor a Memorymoog. Fortunately for you, there is something that does - a Memorymoog.
A CS-80 does not sound like a Memorymoog. A Steinway does not sound like a Memorymoog, and a used car does not sound like a Memorymoog. I am not sure
why one would think that everything that costs a certain amount of money should sound like a Memorymoog, but I am certain that the design goals here did not include sounding like one. It is a better and more capable instrument than a Memorymoog, and yes, I've spent time on both. It can also sound more like a Memorymoog than a Memorymoog can sound like the One. But if you are looking for that specific sound, you should find a Memorymoog in good shape, or perhaps you already own one. There is also a boutique instrument called The River that is very much going for that sound and style, with its 8 voices based on the Moog Source, and while I've never played one, the demos are fantastic. I don't know if you are or aren't familiar, nor am I trying to promote another product on Moog's forum, but that is one modern alternative. Certainly nothing from DSI, Korg, or Roland will get you anywhere near that territory.
Maybe Moog opened themselves up to that comparison by paying homage in its appearance, but they set out to make a forward looking and ambitious analog instrument. In my own estimation they succeeded in doing so. This is not a reissue nor does it purport to be one.

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by lushr » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:58 am

I’ll have to have another look on YouTube for the poly six comparison as I’d like to see that

Myself I’m not a fan of a lot of the sound design I’m hearing on the one. But I am a fan of the raw basic building blocks and there are moments in some of the Moog videos where I hear a sound I love. I found that King’s parts in that intro video we’re my favourite. I liked very little else.

That’s the thing it is a very versatile tool.

The other thing is that say compared to the Jupiter 8, the Moog one has no history. All of us have grown up with the sounds of the Jupiter 8 whether we are aware of it or not and that adds a layer of emotion and nostalgia that the Moog one can’t compete with. Yet.

This is partly why I want effects that emulate tape saturation and all that other stuff so that we can more easily add that patina of nostalgia to the music for those of us who want it.
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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by ummagumma » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:54 am

thealien666 wrote:So far, I'm really unimpressed by the One. Sure it offers lots and lots of possibilities, but the overall sound of it is uninspiring. I own a Minimoog D, a DSI OB6, a Prophet REV2, and a few other classic synths, and even a Korg DW8000 is more appealing, sound wise, than everything I've heard so far from the One.

I don't quite know what it is. Maybe is the digital audio compression from the different platforms, or the bad presets, or the bad players, or a combination of all of these from all the demos that I've watched, but it truly seems rather tame and dull sounding. Almost like, dare I say it, a VST.

Listen to the first few seconds of this video of the Prophet 5 (also from YouTube with the same audio compression), and tell me that the Moog One can sound like this ? Because I seriously doubt it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruh0B5QKBMs&t=1s

Or even like this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRI2dKjP2xU
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both those vids had a ton of stereo delay/reverb on them

I bet I could make a ONE sound better than both of those clips. ( someone send me a ONE and I will gladly demonstrate ;) )

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by c0nsilience » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:44 am

IMHO, there is no comparison. Do not go off of all of the crappy and compressed YouTube videos, as there are very few decent demos of it. Do yourself a favor and, if you can, try ONE out in the flesh.

This is going to be a modern classic monster synth.

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by opolo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:54 pm

Is very funny how people 'compare' a synth with videos online :lol:

Most presets are (as usual with all synths I ever owned having presets) rubbish, online videos for One till now are even worse. Inspired by a thread on another forum I was able to re-create my most loved patches from my P6 on One, and then I still had one Oscillator and two filters plus a load of modulations or effects to go on! On that thread there's a Juno and Polysix comparison as well, and One was spot on. And it naturally sounds much better than my P6, it's so "organic" and "alive".

I was able to re-create most of the Memorymoog patches from the original manual patch sheet just tweaking some parameters (you can get the classic MM distortion putting the filters of One in serial configurations and overdriving them).

I can't believe how many non-owners just end up criticising an instrument they actually don't have :D While everyone having it say it's a monster and it will be a classic (I'd add that is unique and will remain unique as no-one will try to make something 'more' than that). And no we're not protecting our investment...whoever has a Moog One could re-sell it immediately probably also earning a small amount because is immediately available :twisted: And if/once they'll stop manufacturing it, that will become a serious investment for sure (but my One will be buried with me that's for sure as is the most incredible and beautiful sounding synth I ever played...and I had a lot of them!)

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by Nelson Baboon » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:38 pm

first post here....

i never thought i'd be here....I'm more of a noise musician than one who plays melodies, and pretty synth sounds were never my thing. I had a bias against moog synths, and have spent quite a few years avoiding them assiduously (I'm pretty old by now).

then for reasons that I can't recall (even though it was quite recently) I picked up a dfam and a grandmother, and just fell in love with them. I've spent more time with grandma, and it just totally turned my head around. It's inspiring to play, it sounds great, and I don't feel obligated to make it sound pretty or make nice melodies, etc.

Unfortunately for my finances, I was able to churn up enough credit to pick up a moog one 8 voice on the sweetwater 36 month plan, and have spent a few hours with it at this point. I think it sounds incredible, and am taking a break from working through the manual (I guess I'm too dumb to figure it all out without the manual), and am hoping to work through the sequencer possibilities today....

I've been a member of various synth forums, and I must say that i find it pretty amazing that so many people venture such strong opinions based only apparently on youtube videos. sure - it's a lot of $, and it is one thing to voice skepticism, but I have always found a huge chasm between having an instrument react to ME and what I am trying to get it to do, and hearing other people post lame videos.....and i must say - not only are the videos pretty lame (that I've seen), but the presets are pretty lame. But other than playing through a few of them to start, I doubt that I'll consult them again. The instrument sounds BIG to my ears, the fx sound great to my ears, and it looks like there are tons of possibilities here. I'm hoping to break it sonically. If there are any more 'experimental' videos, I'd love to hear them.

it's a bit strange in one respect - it sounds so analog to my ears, and responds in an analog way, but then the menus seem to conflict with that aesthetic. 'Seem to', since I'm finding them intuitive, and am really liking the extra features they provide.

So, much to experiment with. Wish I could have afforded the 16 voice version, but I think I'll be fine with the 8.

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Re: Moog One vs Other Polysynths

Post by paddy ryan » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:00 pm

Some of the presets are not bad, but a lot of them I am just deleting!

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