Sub 37 - Switching preset problem

[Flareless]

I've run into a problem switching Banks / Presets on my Sub 37 from my DAW.

Up until now I've stored my patches in Banks 10 and up. I used MSB 32 and LSB 1 then selected my program based on it's position (16, 17, 18, etc...)

Since I never use the factory presets I've decided to start from Bank 1 Preset 1. If I understand correctly in order to do this I switch the LSB to 0 (page 53 of the manual). I'm using MSB 32, LSB 0, Program 0. This doesn't seem to work and the Sub 37 keeps giving me Bank 9 preset 1.

I'm using the 1.2 firmware on my sub and my DAW is Reaper. I've never tried this before with the Sub 37 on any of my earlier firmware versions. I have no problem switching my Yamaha Motif XF presets or even modes so I don't think it's a Reaper issue. Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how to get this working?

Incidentally.... It'd be handy to have a dedicated Sub 37 forum. I tried searching for a solution before posting this and got a pile of irrelevant Phatty articles.

[artofnois]

On synth screen there are 16 banks of 16 programs but externally (external midi) are only 2 banks of 128 program each.
So you must translate:
bank 0 Program 1-16 -> on screen -> bank1
bank 0 Program 17-32 -> bank2
.....
....
Bank 1 program 1-16 -> on screen -> bank9
bank 1 Program 17-32 -> bank10

And so on

[Flareless]

Thanks for the reply!

I understand what you're saying but that's not where the problem lies. For example bank 10 preset 1 is #16. I'm able to switch to that program from my DAW by passing MSB 32 LSB 1 Program 16.

When I try to do that on the first 8 banks, however, I cannot. The manual indicates (if I'm reading it correctly) that I must switch the LSB to 0 for banks 1 to 8. This does not seem to have an effect. If I send the Sub 37 MSB 32 LSB 0 Program 16 I still get switched to Bank 10 rather than bank 2.

[artofnois]

This is how I convert from 16x16 banks( banco16, programa16 ) to 2x128 banks (bank, program)

bank = math.floor( ( banco16 * 128 + programa16 ) / 16 )
program = math.floor( ( banco16 * 16 + programa16 ) % 128 )

[Flareless]

Ok. So given all that information, if you wanted to switch presets through your DAW, lets say; Bank 1, Preset 1 what values would you pass?

MSB = ?
LSB = ?
Program = ?

[Flareless]

So... just curious....

Is nobody using a DAW to pass MSB / LSB / Program info to switch presets on their Sub 37s to the first 9 banks?

Like I mentioned, switching to banks 9 and up presets works just fine. I just can't get it to switch to presets in the first 8 banks. Setting the LSB to zero (as stated in the manual) seems to have no effect.

Am I doing something wrong or is there a glitch in the firmware?

[ObtuseMoose]

I'm not sure why you're setting MSB to 32. The manual isn't very clear, but bank MSB (MIDI CC# 0) should always be 0. Bank LSB (MIDI CC# 32) should be 0 for banks 1 - 8 and 1 for banks 9 - 16. If you set MSB to anything other than 0, you'll always get banks 9 - 16.

So in Reaper:

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Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:   0  = Sub37 Bnk: 01 Preset: 01
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:   1  = Sub37 Bnk: 01 Preset: 02
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:   2  = Sub37 Bnk: 01 Preset: 03
...
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:  16  = Sub37 Bnk: 02 Preset: 01
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:  17  = Sub37 Bnk: 02 Preset: 02
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program:  18  = Sub37 Bnk: 02 Preset: 03
...
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program: 126  = Sub37 Bnk: 08 Preset: 15
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 0   Program: 127  = Sub37 Bnk: 08 Preset: 16
...
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:   0  = Sub37 Bnk: 09 Preset: 01
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:   1  = Sub37 Bnk: 09 Preset: 02
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:   2  = Sub37 Bnk: 09 Preset: 03
...
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:  16  = Sub37 Bnk: 10 Preset: 01
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:  17  = Sub37 Bnk: 10 Preset: 02
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program:  18  = Sub37 Bnk: 10 Preset: 03
...
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program: 126  = Sub37 Bnk: 16 Preset: 15
Bank MSB: 0    Bank LSB: 1   Program: 127  = Sub37 Bnk: 16 Preset: 16

Hope this helps.
--
Moose

[Flareless]

Thank you Moose, you are far from Obtuse!!!!

I misunderstood page 53 of the the v1.1 manual which is how I got my settings wrong. Thanks to you I am now able to select any bank required.

I really appreciate your help!