Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

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anselmi
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Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:32 am

hi, I was part of this forum but not in an active way and this is my first post alair, so hello everybody!

as the thread´s title say I wonder if oscillator 2 is indeed removed from modulation sources in the sub p

I hope not because it´s the key for lot of worderful sounds in the slim phatty...I got one (and a minitaur) and was thinking about sell it to get the sub p but the lack of this feature really killed the deal...

Amos: is such a feature planned to be implemented in a OS/firmware upgrade? maybe using shift + one of the LFO´s waveforms position...

I love the new 3-bus modulation routing with attenuators on them and this would be even greater to use with oscillator 2 as the modulator
this are some of the sounds I got and love using this feature...and I know the new LFO is fast, but is not the same since it doesn´t track the keyboard

http://soundcloud.com/anselmi/moog-patches-2

the other new features are a really good (and expected) upgrade from the existant ones, like the individual wave modulation and the expanded envelope set

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by marty » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:21 am

The Sub Phatty's LFO will track keyboard pitch at up to 2:1.

(See page 29 in the manual.)

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:27 am

anselmi wrote:and I know the new LFO is fast, but is not the same since it doesn´t track the keyboard


quoting (and correcting) myself :roll:

I just saw the LFO tracking option so it could be a partial solution if the LFO goes very high in rate
the declared max frequency is 1KHz, hat is nice for an LFO but not even close to a full-range oscillator and it will be a limitation to get some lovely FM sounds that are easy to achieve in the other phattys using oscillator 2 as the modulator

also I like the kind sounds that you got by feedbacking modulations with oscillator 2 as source of wave modulation that target itself

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:46 am

marty wrote:The Sub Phatty's LFO will track keyboard pitch at up to 2:1.

(See page 29 in the manual.)


yeah, notices it and posted but thsi forum is very slow at refreshing...or my newbie status is :lol:

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by stiiiiiiive » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:01 am

Hey Anselmi!!

It's nice to see you over here :)

I think the LFO can go fast AND track the keyboard as Marty's just said. You should definitely see the manual, especially the hidden features as this may be one.

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by stiiiiiiive » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:19 am

P.29 indeed states:

LFO KEYBOARD TRACKING AMOUNT
To specify how much the LFO rate tracks the keyboard
pitch, enter Shift mode and press the BANK 2 and
PATCH 4 buttons. Pressing the low C key sets keyboard
tracking to zero, meaning key pitch will have no effect
on LFO rate. Pressing higher keys sets a proportionally
greater amount of keyboard tracking; the middle C on
the keyboard sets 1:1 LFO pitch tracking, meaning the
LFO rate will double when the key pitch doubles. The
high C key sets 2:1 LFO pitch tracking, meaning that the
LFO rate will change by four times for every octave of
pitch change

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:09 pm

hi stiiiiiiive! don´´t know you was here too! :D

yeah, I noticed the LFO tracking just after posted the first one but as a new member I think my post are somewhat filtered to avoid spam and trolling

I think at some time they will be posted all at once

see you here and at EU!

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:04 pm

anyway, I wonder if the LFO can be pushed over the declared 1KHz limit when it tracks the keyboard

some of my best FM sounds are from using oscillator 2 in high frequency settings, maybe 2 o 3 octaves over oscillator 1

also is missing the lovely sounds that you got when feedback modulation oscillator 2 as both source and destination (wave modulation)

Mr. Amos, is it possible or I´m just daydreaming?

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by monokit » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:10 am

anselmi, if you can wait a few days i can demo that for you, once my sub phatty arrived.

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Sat May 04, 2013 11:27 pm

monokit wrote:anselmi, if you can wait a few days i can demo that for you, once my sub phatty arrived.


thanks a lot monokit! I´ll be waiting for it! please use this thread so I could find it easy :D

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by twelsch42 » Sun May 05, 2013 2:00 pm

If you set LFO KB-tracking to the max, it appears to me like you indeed-CAN max out the LFO's rate.

But I'm no expert, so I'll let someone with more experience get the final word on this.

T

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by monokit » Sun May 05, 2013 3:23 pm

Yes of course! No SubP yet. ;)

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Mon May 06, 2013 12:09 am

twelsch42 wrote:If you set LFO KB-tracking to the max, it appears to me like you indeed-CAN max out the LFO's rate


this would be great...like using an audio oscillator indeed, maybe better since you can free both oscillators for other duties

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by twelsch42 » Mon May 06, 2013 2:00 am

I'm afraid I wasn't clear. At a certain point the LFO's rate (via keyboard tracking) seems to max out and stop. This seems to be about middle-C (+1 octave) when keyboard-tracking is set to max (high-C). I don't think this is what people are looking for.

I'm a little worried I'm still not being clear.

T

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Re: Sub Phatty, no oscillator 2 as modulation source?

Post by anselmi » Mon May 06, 2013 11:13 am

twelsch42 wrote:I'm afraid I wasn't clear. At a certain point the LFO's rate (via keyboard tracking) seems to max out and stop. This seems to be about middle-C (+1 octave) when keyboard-tracking is set to max (high-C). I don't think this is what people are looking for.

I'm a little worried I'm still not being clear.

T


ohhhhh...OK, now I got it... :(

bad news then...now I just have to hope moog decide to include oscillator 2 as a modulation source in a future upgrade...anyway I don´t know if it´s possible or you need a hardware mod to make it happens

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