Ribbon Controller

[Niko]

I would like to expand my Voyager by a ribbon controller. My old one (model 1150) suits nicely with my Mini Moog D but cannot be used directly with the Voyager (S-trigger and rear Mini Moog power supply).
Is there any ribbon controller available which I could combine with the Voyager? I've seen photographs of a Kurzweil and a Doepfer unit but I don't know how I could actually could hook them onto the Voyager.

[LWG]

Hello,


http://www.psionicsoundworks.com/


Regards,


-L

[Sir Nose]

The Appendage
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/scottnoan ... /id35.html
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-38547.html

It's DIY, but would be worth the $$$ to get it custom built. With the CV capabilities of the voyager it would make one hell of a contoller. It can be used as a standard ribbon controller too.

The Walking Stick suggested above is the best thing I've seen on the market. At least you get a 2nd CV.

[52weeks]

I also highly recommend the Walking Stick. He's slowing down production on them in favour of a newer, bigger model, so I'd say act quick, if you're interested.

I have footage of one being used on stage, with the Voyager's sound going out through a delay pedal -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QqBACX ... re=related
@1:44 - 2:50

It's not a great example, since it's only controlling the pitch, and not taking advantage of a 2nd CV. It does illustrate the attenuator, though (each CV gets its own attenuator). There's also a gate toggle switch for either quick or gradual pressure release.

I don't have either the VX-351 or the CP-251, but from what I understand, it plays incredibly nice with these devices, as well

[mayidunk]

+1 Walking Stick!!

[Niko]

many thanks for the replies and the suggestions. I've contacted Psionic Soundworks already and I'm going to purchase a 500mm 2 voltage unit which offers me position-VCO controlling and a kind of triggering using the VCA by the other voltage derived by the pressure sensitivity.
Does anybody knows how fast this triggering will be? I understand that the pressure function starts when I contact the ribbon, but with a low (lowest) voltage. This voltage become higher if I press harder.
The only problem for me is the logistical aspect since I've no experience with shippments from abroad. Therefore I prefer to have a shop next to me. Anyway in that particular case I'll expand my experiences...

[52weeks]

For the pressure sensitivity, there should be a toggle switch that controls how fast the triggering will be. One is gradual triggering (say, for a slow-ish filter sweep), while the other is quite fast.

Think of the pressure sensitive one plugged into volume*. The slow release allows you to do volume swells or tremolos, while the quick setting basically turns the sound on or off, when you want (so you can have the voyager be silent until you press the ribbon hard enough). I believe there's still a tiny amount of lag if you press it slowly enough even on the quick setting, but this should never be an issue. I could be remembering wrong, too, so someone feel free to correct me.

That's all assuming the model you're getting has the toggle switch as seen in this pic, the "switch to alter the response curve of the pressure sensor - from fast, gate-like response, to a slow/gradual controlled response"
http://www.psionicsoundworks.com/files/ ... 5019/8.jpg

*dumbed down for my purposes, not yours

[Niko]

I've got now my new Walking Stick ribbon controller. With the wooden design it fits nicely to my Voyager, even the poti-knobs are in a similar shape than the Moog ones. The mentioned toggle switch (thanks 52weeks) expands the possibilities in operation efficiantly. The sensitivity response allows real musical expressions rather that simple note selections. And it works in a plug and play mode, no plug and pray at all. However it requires a small adjustement with the Panel-Edit, Env Gate-mode programming (I'm using currently the 3.6 beta version) and it works just great.
My Walking Stick has two almost 3m long cables (one used for pitch and one for volume) which gives me the freedom to compete now with our guitar and bass players or let me lay comfortably on the couch whithout a heavy Voyager on my lap. A simple cable extension of the standard TRS cables is possible too.
My original concern about the actual shippment to Germany wasn't necessary. I applied for a shippment via UPS which made all of the awkward customs clearance and VAT procedure. And they delivered very fast directly to my home. In that content I have to thank you Joe from Psionic Soundworks for his great assistance and help herewith and the open and helpful technical conversations in advance.
So yes, I also can very much recommend this product as a significant and (certainly for me) essential addition to a Mini Moog Voyager.

[Prime NL]

Very good choice (i have one too) and good to hear that you like your walking stick.

And yes...Joe is a great person to deal with....

[52weeks]

Joe Rocks, even if he pretty much talked me into longing for the VX-351 and CP-251. Niko, I'm glad you're enjoying your controller. What was the adjustment you had to make? Did Joe know about this, or was it something you figured out on your own?

[Unfiltered]

I have a drum controller, and the same problem with the power,s-trigger. I usually use the model D for power, and use one of the 1/4" connectors to CP-251 attenuator to use as a gate into voyager. Is there a workaround for this, or a way to covert a male s-trigger to 1/4"? Ive seen the synthfool 1/4' to strigger, but that will not work with a male s-trigger.

[Just Me]

I have a drum controller, and the same problem with the power,s-trigger. I usually use the model D for power, and use one of the 1/4" connectors to CP-251 attenuator to use as a gate into voyager. Is there a workaround for this, or a way to covert a male s-trigger to 1/4"? Ive seen the synthfool 1/4' to strigger, but that will not work with a male s-trigger.

Just make an adaptor rig. The s trigger is just a short to ground. So, make a small box that has a Cinch-Jones to connect your controller to and a 1/4" out to go to your synth. Inside put a circuit that works a relay or transistor switch that is state changed by the shorting of the s-trig. You can use the power from the Voyager to operate it or you can battery power it with a voltage regulator to drop the 9V to 5V for the output. There was a circuit on the S.COM website but the link is bad now.
Try this topic from here
http://www.moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopi ... 10&start=0
And look at this picture..

[Niko]

Niko, I'm glad you're enjoying your controller. What was the adjustment you had to make? Did Joe know about this, or was it something you figured out on your own?

Hi 52weeks,

the mentioned adjustment was simply to enable the gate-on function with the Voyager. My initial preset were set to "off" herewith. When I toggled the keyoard on/external switch (Env. Gate), bottom right, it didn't worked. After the changing now it works fine. The Walking Stick pressure sensor allows me to use the Ribbon Controller like a triggered device. I've contacted the two leads to the red pitch-input and to the red vol-input.

[52weeks]

Niko,

I understand now. Thanks for the reply!