Thanks for the reply EricK. Sorry I'm relatively new to forums so I don't know how to properly paste your previous comments so I can "respond" to them. Hopefully the context will make it clear.
I'll have to disagree with any increase in desirability or price on ebay. I just don't see it happening because the demand for them just isn't that high. I really think there's going to be a surplus of unsold new stock. Also there's a lot of competitors out there for "new" analogue synths nowadays and if someone's considering paying upwards of $2k for a synth on the "used" market, especially something of the nature of the OS, then they're going to be considering real vintagegear as well which is relatively close in price. "Do I want to buy a used OS for $2,500 or a vintage Model D for $3,000?". I mean it all depends on who you are of course. But I think the type of people looking to buy the OS are the same type of people who would seriously consider vintage alternatives.
Heh, don't get me wrong, I'd
love to see that happen, but I've seen it (and been burned by it) time and time again with these limited "vintage re-issue" items fetching a bare minimum premium when they're discontinued. When they do fetch a premium, it's usually because they were hand built and/or used very hard to get NOS parts that were the same used in the originals and are generally no longer available. Or they develop some sort of cult following like the TB-303 or xOxbOx. In a nutshell, I don't think there's anything instrinsically special or valuable about the OS that will drive its price appreciably above the normal price of a used piece of modern gear in its class.
"Multimoog"? "Prodigy" Heh, you're talking "modern" synths!
I guess I should have qualified with
late 60's to
early 70's". I don't want to get into this argument, but the "paradigm" I referred to was meant to indicate synths that were played by "the greats" (whether on Maxwell's Silver Hammer or Karn Evil 9) in their heyday; which I would say was roughly '65-'75. Thus excluding the Multimoog and Prodigy.
I'd really like to see the specs for the Voyager keyboard. The scantime in particular. Or better yet, get a copy of the complete maintenance manual! The digital nature is what really turned me off of the dotcom controller keyboard as well. If you play a digital board with latency vs one with a proper analog bus bar, the difference is night and day. I could use every cliche in the book to describe them
Play on your OS for awhile, then switch over to an Odyssey or even a Hammond, it almost feels like an acoustic instrument by comparison. Apart from just "knowing" the tech specs of the Voyager keyboard, I
would consider doing a MIDI out on my OS because I do have applications for it.
Well I don't equate "Moog Music" with "Moog" anymore than I equate going to see a Who show with "having seen the Who in concert" or Keith Emerson's new album with "Keith Emerson". The point being that all were groundbreakers in their day. It isn't their day anymore, and hasn't been for awhile. Now they're legends ("living legends" in some cases) and best they can do is "play" the part of themselves in their heyday. In Moog Music's case, they're a modern corporation. A brand. They're not Bob Moog exploring a new medium for expressing musical ideas. They're not the rendering of those explorations. That rendering was the Modular, Model D, etc. To really generalize that, it was the idea of using and controlling electronic oscillators, filters, etc. as an analogue to the control of physical vibrations on acoustic vibrations. Moog Music is a company that seeks to make money from the re-treading or re-implementation of those renderings with an affectation of Bob Moog's genius. I'm not judging one way or the other as to whether this is "good" or "bad". I'm saying it's for these reasons I do not equate Moog Music with Moog, or should I say, with the auspices under which those vintage synths were created. Even the Little Phatty which is said to have been an actual Bob Moog design is really nothing but his original idea repacked with modern features. It was a design idea, not one that further developed the creative idea of what a synthesizer should be.
As far as any of the "clone companies" out there doing the Moog filter justice... I'd somewhat agree with you when it comes to "companies". But that's not to say there aren't people out there making small batches of synths that sound more like a Moog than what Moog Music is putting out. This isn't uncommon at all. Dunlop (as an extreme example) has put out numerous "re-issues" of just about every one of their classic pedals and in all cases, a better sounding and more faithful replica can be found from a boutique maker. These then become classics in themselves. Same thing goes for guitar amps for sure. In this day and age, no large company can compete in quality or authenticity with small boutique operation hand-designing and hand-building clones with their only goal being to closely and faithfully replicate that sound they fell in love with. Of course, you'll pay a price for it though!
In fact I considered a few of them (at over double the price of the OS) before I decided to purchase the OS. In almost all cases, they captured the "Moog sound" better than the OS. In all cases but one, I had to go by soundclips. But I'm fairly good at being able to parse out and interpolate what the "live" instrument would sound like. I'm not talking about from stock soundclips. I spent a lot of time in trying to contact real people who've recorded music and their own soundclips that I could use for the comparison. The Macbeth M5 was the one situation where I was able to do a physical side by side comparison and it blew the OS out of the water hands down. That's on an "oscillator for oscillator" comparison even apart from the fact that the M5 does tons the OS can't. But really its sound captures "vintage Moog" like the OS can't. Price was definitely a factor in my decision. It wasn't so much that the M5 was "too much" as it was I was not only able to get the OS for an unheard of price, but it came with the free CP-251 as well! Don't get me wrong here, the OS is an
awesome piece of gear and I wouldn't have bought it at any price if I didn't think so. Heh, of course I still need to get the M5, but that'll have to wait...
Moog Music is making modern instruments. Yes they have access to all of Bob Moog's creative assets but that doesn't mean they're obliged or inclined to use them when developing products for Moog Music as "Moog". If the boards and electronics in the OS were similar the original Model D or "clones", then rest assured Moog Music would have used that as a selling point and reflected that in the OS's name. I'm sure they're modern equivalents optimised for production and cost weighted against how "authentic" they sound and how much of it they could claim was, or wanted to be, an intentional difference between the old and new. This is no "fault"' or "deception" of Moog Music, it's just how big companies work. They are making a different instrument with different appeal than the instruments I'd consider made by "Moog". My strong disagreement is that Moog Music is somehow carrying the torch of Bob Moog's innovations with this idea of "Oh, you want a Moog, well they're still making them!". Just like after watching The Who do Won't Get Fooled Again on the Kids Are Alright and I say "Man I wish I could have seen those guys play" and someone says "But you
can, they're on tour right now!".
Alright QED or whatever, I need to stop talking now