Aftertouch in MIDI?

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Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by mpaulcurreri » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:36 am

Oh woe! It seems the Model D can send aftertouch info in MIDI, but alas, cannot receive that aftertouch info? Suuuuuuch a bummer!

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by Iaamusic » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:58 pm

But... it can accept CV from the keyboard which is more than the original could!

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by mpaulcurreri » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:58 pm

Without question, Ian! And I most appreciate that. I just got so excited when I saw my DAW receiving the aftertouch info as I was recording. But alas, upon playback, the Model D can’t READ that info.

I was wondering tho... I’m admittedly not a MIDI ninja... is there ANY way to make it happen? would a MIDI —> CV converter allow the Model D to receive aftertouch MIDI info? (And if so, would it have to be something fancy like a Kenton Pro solo? Or would a simpler model suffice?

Any expert advice would be most appreciated!!
Thanks!

Kenton Pro solo 2: https://www.perfectcircuit.com/kenton-pro-solo-mk2.html

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by Analog Prophet » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:04 am

You’ll need convert MIDI after touch to CV and direct that CV signal to the after touch to a jack, for instance filter, or with a split cable to multiple CV inputs of the Model D Reissue top panel.

Im not in the studio right now, but I’m pretty sure In my case it can be achieved from the DAW via the Minimoog Voyager > VX351 CV Breakout box from the Voyager (kbd press to multiple and out from there) > CV cable to a target of the after touch at the Model D Reissie such filter.

Similar trick, and other CV tricks, would be easily achieved by Kenton Pro Solist via CV or Aux out:

https://www.kentonuk.com/products/items ... solo.shtml (recently new released model and successor to mk 2).

Actually, In my ears, both the Voyager and the Model D sounds better when controlled from CV instead of from MIDI or internal keyboard. If it's by the control voltage and bad cables or just placebo I don’t know, but as long I’m happy with it it doesn’t matter ;)
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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by mpaulcurreri » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:11 am

Thanks Analog Prophet.
I really appreciate the response. The Kenton Pro Solo sounds like a good option, although I've read that a lot of people experience a strange "digital whine" when using it. There certainly seem to be a lot of options -- the 2000, the USB model, etc.

Essentially, if possible, I'm just looking to be able to play my Model D into my DAW much like I do w. my Sub37.
In other words, 1. record my performance (including aftertouch, and mod wheel). 2. then be able to go into my DAW, move MIDI notes, adjust aftertouch if necessary, etc. And then 3., of course, record the output of those changed MIDI notes -- aftertouch and all.

The Model D Reissue of course can ALREADY do this with the MIDI notes (which I'm thankful for), just not the aftertouch / mod wheel.

If the Kentons can do this, great. If there is a cheaper option, GREATER!!!!

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by Analog Prophet » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:21 pm

I had a Kenton 2000 before, to my former Model D Vintage, to my DAW and was happy with it.
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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by mpaulcurreri » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:10 pm

Cool. Of course the vintage Model D’s didn’t have the capacity for aftertouch. I’m quite pleased with what the reissues can do on their own w MIDI — reading notes, clock, arpeggios, etc. But yeah, adding aftertouch to the MIDI capability would be sensational.

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by Iaamusic » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:31 pm

One thing I’ve done is record midi note data in DAW and on audio record rather than use aftertouch I’ve manually tweaked the parameter, I think it was filter cutoff. Not as good but aftertouch is not often subtle!

Anyway good luck with the midi-CV converter if that’s where you’re heading.

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Re: Aftertouch in MIDI?

Post by mpaulcurreri » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:54 pm

Indeed, I’ve certainly done that as well, iaamusic. That works fantastically for certain applications / styles of music. But the aftertouch on the reissue — when the trim is set properly — can be a very expressive, even subtle source of variety and modulation. Synthesizers are too rarely responding directly to our bodies (unlike, say, a guitar), so any opportunity Is one to be championed!

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