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3 osc's is a pretty good reason to choose one above the other IMO


If youre mostly in the box, than the voyager's full midi specs makes it ideal. I LOVE some of yester year's synths, but I now require midi cc's, as I only have two hands, and I HATE using the computer. Moog stuff is where it's at, yo.

Oh, and i guess its worth mentioning that there isnt much under the hood anyway(as others have already mentioned). Even the RME doesnt have that much going on beneath the surface.


I for some reason think your original post was basically asking the rest of us to confirm, in you, the want to get a voyager.


So get one. Don't look back.


Buy used. Get a RME if you want to save a bit.

OMG I totally disagree: the menu on the voyager is SO awkward. I have yet to figure out the logic to when the cursor button does what the arrow buttons do and vice versa. It makes my chest tight just thinking about doing anything of substance with the voyager's menu.

I love my hardware synths because they sound great and they're easier to modulate (with my hands and feet, manually, in real time), not necessarily because they're all that easy to program. I know everyone is all about hardware workflow, and maybe I'm just a digital native whippersnapper, but I can work so much more quickly with software when it comes to editing complicated synth patches and tweaking a whole bunch of modulation routings.

I tried using the Voyager's menu and couldn't make heads or tails of it. Granted, I didn't spend weeks pouring over the manual burning the midnight oil...

I'm a freeking musician, who expects musician's to read manuals?

Stephen




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Vsyevolod wrote:I'm a freeking musician, who expects musician's to read manuals?

Vsyevolod wrote: I'm a freeking musician, who expects musician's to read manuals?

Ouch! You really know how to hurt a guy...

As an alternative to the User Manual, you could try this handy Menu reference sheet from the KnobTweak site
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Kno ... 0Menus.zip

It's not for the very latest OS, but it should shed some light on the whole Voyager Menu thang.

- Greg

EDIT: I corrected the incomplete URL link above, however you'll still have to log in to KnobTweak to access the file

This link works better: bit.ly/1lF25N9

This is very useful. We should update it to the latest version. Of course, if Moog can help us doing it, that would be great too!

To answer the OP XAXAU, "Why should I get a Voyager ?" : because you KNOW you want it !

GregAE wrote:

Vsyevolod wrote: I'm a freeking musician, who expects musician's to read manuals?

Ouch! You really know how to hurt a guy...

No offense meant Greg, I'm just saying that having to refer to a manual just to figure out all the menu diving is taking things a bit too far. When I buy an analog instrument, I want everything to be fairly understandable just by looking at it. And of all the analog gear that I own, the Voyager is the most complex and menu driven of them all. I do believe that the menu diving could have been made more 'intuitive'. As it stands, I still get confused just trying to navigate the different screens. Not something that creates a desire to jump in and learn the whole kit and kaboodle...

As an alternative to the User Manual, you could try this handy Menu reference sheet from the KnobTweak site
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Kno ... 0Menus.zip

It's not for the very latest OS, but it should shed some light on the whole Voyager Menu thang

Wow, how did I miss this before? I thought I had downloaded everything that existed on the KnobTweak site. Thanks much for that, I'll have to "dive" into this and see if it helps.

Stephen




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The only things I do with the menu:
1. Change it so Bob's head appears.
2. Filter poles
3. Keyboard triggering.
4. Init. parameters

Pretty straight forward stuff.

pot mapping

ColorForm2113 wrote:pot mapping

Indeed! Pot Mapping is power juju. It opens up a new world of performance capabilities on the Voyager, including dynamic volume & filter control, envelope scaling, and complex interactions with the pitch bend and mod wheels, to name but a few.

For anyone interested, there's a Pot Mapping doc on KnobTweak that explains it all:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Kno ... apping.pdf

- Greg

I have little trouble with the Voyager menu system. The controls that are needed for real time and frequent manipulation are on the front panel, while the rest are in the menu system and they are not hard to manipulate. If the parameters in the menu system were given a dedicated pot on the front panel then the Voyager would be too expensive and the synth would be too large. This would be true for any synthesizer. Compromise has been a common practice in the industry for decades.

EricK wrote:The only things I do with the menu:
1. Change it so Bob's head appears.
2. Filter poles
3. Keyboard triggering.
4. Init. parameters

Pretty straight forward stuff.

sometimes i change lfo destinations....

EricK wrote:The only things I do with the menu:
1. Change it so Bob's head appears.
2. Filter poles
3. Keyboard triggering.
4. Init. parameters

Pretty straight forward stuff.

Can these (and pot mapping) be changed from an external CC, NRPN or sysex?

bichuelo wrote:

EricK wrote:The only things I do with the menu:
1. Change it so Bob's head appears.
2. Filter poles
3. Keyboard triggering.
4. Init. parameters

Pretty straight forward stuff.

Can these (and pot mapping) be changed from an external CC, NRPN or sysex?

Answering my own question, it looks like the filter poles, keyboard triggering, pot mapping, touchpad destinations and even more parameters can be changed using sysex, great!