minimoog patches translation on a voyager old school

[waxdoctor]

hi all,

need your expertise, please!

The orig. minimoog has 200, 600 etc. msec values at the envelope sections (attack and decay) and " - 0 +
" values at the filter cut off...

Does somebody of you know the values/msec for the VOS steps at AD(S)(R) section and
the " - 0 + " translation to Hz for the filter cut off?

I was searching around the internet but without any luck.

This would be a great help for "translating" old minimoog patches to VOS.

Hope you understand my bad english combined with my poor technical skills

Many, many thanks!

regards waxdoctor

[stiiiiiiive]

Hey WaxDoctor.

I think the time range of the Voyager envelope parameters can be found in the manual. You can download it from the Moog website.
Otherwise, you can do it by ears instead of exactly matching the values... unless you only have a patch sheet of course.

[waxdoctor]

Hey WaxDoctor.

I think the time range of the Voyager envelope parameters can be found in the manual. You can download it from the Moog website.
Otherwise, you can do it by ears instead of exactly matching the values... unless you only have a patch sheet of course.

hey stiiiiiive,

and thanks for your help.

of course i wrote the manual but it says just "from 1 msec to 10
seconds" for A,D and R.

so around the knobs of VOS it has a scale "|(1 m-sec.) | | |(10) | | | | | |(1) | | | |(10 sec.)"

around the knobs of the MM Model D it has a scale "|(m-sec.) |(10) | |(200) | |(600) | |(1) | |(5) | |(10) |(sec.)"

and yes, as you wrote, if you do no have the sound samples but just the patches it is hard to go with the ears

that is why i ask the forum if somebody has experience or knows the steps/values for the VOS.

as the same for the filters.

thanks and greetings

wd

[stiiiiiiive]

You're welcome, Doctor!

I'm always puzzled when people try to match patches only following the parameters values. I used to think this way but I now consider the sound and feeling rather than the theory.

So, not to mess with you, just out of curiosity and because nobody gave me a real answer yet: (why) is it more important for you to match the values rather than have them near the original and adjusting according to what your ears tell you?

[metron]

Because when you dont know what a patch sounds like, parameters are the only way to find out?

[waxdoctor]

hey stiiiiiiive,

no problem - my answer is simple:

I have a patch book in front of me with 104 patches and don't have a clue how they should sound like.

without any sound sample to compare i cannot adjusting according to what my ears tell me.

well, for instance "The New Moog Sound" or "Pot Cover" patches, its naming sounds nice, but it is hard to adjust the ADSR/filter accordingly to just its naming.

anyway, it would be a nice creative idea but I am sure with my poor sound programming expirience far away from how the original patch should sound like.

thanks in anyway!

[waxdoctor]

Because when you dont know what a patch sounds like, parameters are the only way to find out?

exactly!

[stiiiiiiive]

I get that, indeed. Thanks for answering.

I've sometimes met some musicians who wanted to have the exact-right-value-no-matter-how-it-sounds: that's what I have hard times to assimilate
That being said, I'm sure that -except for some parameters as fine osc tuning of LFO amount over pitch- you would get most of the character of any patch just approximating the values.

Good luck