Project: Repair of an original 904B

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Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by analogmonster » Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:41 am

After cloning a complete System 55 I got a chance of laying my hands on an original module: a dead 904B. A PNP transistor, the 2N4058 of the input buffer stage of the first filter pole, had left our world forever. For me it was like having a piece of the Holy Grail on my operating table. As a friend had some of those transistors, I was able to fix it.
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The layouts of the boards do not fit to the Norlin Servicemanual or to any circuits I know of the 904B.
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Anyway, now it's alive :D

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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by ummagumma » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:18 am

That's cool!

Congratulations!

Was it difficult to find the faulty transistor, in the circuit?

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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by analogmonster » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:15 am

No, it wasn't. If a module just creates noise (and it is NOT a noise source :D) my first assumption is that there are let's say uncontrolled junction breakdowns within a transistor or diode (in a noise source this is a wanted effect). So I checked the filter poles of the 904B systematically, and the first pole created that noise instead of buffering and transporting the input signal to the next pole. After replacing the PNP of the input buffer stage of the first pole the input signal was processed again. Voilá :)

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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by ummagumma » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:51 pm

Nice! Very logical Mr Spock ;)

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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by synthguy » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:11 am

Great job!
What build date was on the module S/N tag (if there was one)?
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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by analogmonster » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:31 am

synthguy wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:11 am Great job!
What build date was on the module S/N tag (if there was one)?
Unfortunately it was unreadable. But from the module condition and component perspective I assume that the module is VERY old! Not knowing how it was treated / stored over the decades though. Tracks and components are quite corroded. I was suprised that it still works at all and that it sounds that good!

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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by ProspectHillMusic » Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:41 am

The question was raised as to how old this module was, I can tell you that I own an R. A. Moog 904-B with s/n 1182, manufactured 12-69 and it looks identical to this one including the circuit board layouts. One minor difference is, the module in the photos appears to have several electrolytic capacitors that look like they were replaced recently, particularly one that is a radial lead type whereas the PCB was laid out for an axial lead capacitor. My unit still has the original caps in it and all are axial lead.

Sorry for posting an answer that wasn't very timely but I just joined this forum recently and I've been going through the older postings when I saw this one.
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Re: Project: Repair of an original 904B

Post by analogmonster » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:23 am

Thanks for the information. If you are right, the module is much older than I assumed :shock:

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