Polyphonic Moog Feature Request

peterkadar · Post by **peterkadar** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:21 pm

I would DEFINITELY want generous patch memory. At least 128 presets, if not several banks of 128 presets. Remember, this has to compete with the Prophet, and even the 4 bank having Tetra to a point.

If it could rest a Phatty on top that would be really cool. If it could fit the Voyager securely too that would be great.

My old Polymoog was so large on top that I had two Micromoogs perched on it at all times... just sayin'.

As far as interface goes, I'd be cool with something Phatty derived. Again, that would look GREAT with my LPte and T-3's (when they arrive).

Synth engine wise, it doesn't have to be a poly Voyager for me, but again, it'd be great if they could do to the Memorymoog what they did with the Taurus.

anoteoftruth · Post by **anoteoftruth** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:35 pm

peterkadar wrote:I would DEFINITELY want generous patch memory. At least 128 presets, if not several banks of 128 presets. Remember, this has to compete with the Prophet, and even the 4 bank having Tetra to a point.

As far as interface goes, I'd be cool with something Phatty derived.

Synth engine wise, it doesn't have to be a poly Voyager for me, but again, it'd be great if they could do to the Memorymoog what they did with the Taurus.

I agree with all of these points.. but I personally don't care if it could fit a phatty or voyager on top.. If you look at what it's competition would be, like the prophet 08, it's not massive.. it's not the size of a desk.. I know people want to recreate the constellation system, but do we really need something that massive? I'm sure they could make a smaller polysynth..

And I know one argument is, if they release a polysynth now, if it sells for anywhere near 3K, then it's in direct competition with the Voyager... But if it turns out to be a 5K beast... no matter how much I want one, it would make it very difficult for me to buy.. so I'm really curious to see how Moog are gonna execute this one..

But synth wise, I completely agree with you... If they did for the Memorymoog what they did for the Taurus, and gave it a LP style interface... I'd be ecstatic!

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:26 pm

EricK wrote:I wouldn't be against an all analogue monster with nothing at all digital.

Do you really think Moog would make such a thing since MIDI, USB and DAW interfacing are so commonly used these days?

They have to keep future proofing in mind.

van · Post by **van** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:28 am

EricK wrote:
(I also am not interested in paying 300+ for a new lid for the Rhodes and having to store the vintage lid (in addition to the lid that covers the rhodes that you have to remove to play) when the Rhodes isn't deep enough anyway. Thats just stupidity.)

Hey EricK; here is a mod for your Rhodes to give it a flat top from the existing tolex top. Cost about 5 bucks: two latches and a tablesaw cut, hardwood brace salvaged from the garbage (construction site). I think I did this mod about 30 years ago and holds the mini or any other kybd you want to put up there.

EricK · Post by **EricK** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:45 am

Subtronik,
No I don't believe they would, but it sure would be interesting. Poly Old School would be appealing, though not commercially feasible.

Van,
That is a nice solution, and Im not trying to be defeatist, but when it comes to certian things, Im a purist. I don't believe in certian types of invasive modifications. Id have to buy an aftermarket lid to mod, which would bring me right back to having to store an extra lid.

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:01 am

EricK wrote:Subtronik,
No I don't believe they would, but it sure would be interesting. Poly Old School would be appealing, though not commercially feasible.

Who knows, they might end up making a few poly models at different prices just like they did with the Voyager.

anoteoftruth · Post by **anoteoftruth** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:24 am

Subtronik wrote: Who knows, they might end up making a few poly models at different prices just like they did with the Voyager.

That's what I'm hoping for.

sunny pedaal · Post by **sunny pedaal** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:11 am

3 osc , 8 voices, sufficient memories and the touchpanel.
that'll settle for me, no need to place the voyager on top
my 2 cents

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:23 pm

Here's my preferred specs, keeping in mind overall pricing concerns (EG I'm not spending 5k on a synth, nor are 99% of the users interested in a product like this):

6-voice polyphony.

3 oscs, one of which will go sub and act as a secondary LFO. Little Phatty RAC knob and general layout.

1 noise generator, button included for on/off, probably in the mixer section mentioned below...

1 mixer section, with one knob (LP style) to control osc levels, ext in, and noise gen.

1 dedicated LFO, Little Phatty style.

Voyager-style stereo filter, including HPF and spacing options. 2 RAC knobs in this section preferably, but I could live with just one.

Overload circuit.

Little Phatty-style envelope section.

Little Phatty-style output section.

Little Phatty-style PB/MOD section.

Little Phatty-style "Master" section (for transpose/patch change/glide/etc.)

4-5 octave keyboard, with velocity and aftertouch. Future development plans for a rackmount version similar to the Voyager RME.

Stereo Audio OUTs, L(MONO), R

EXT Audio IN

MIDI IN/OUT/THROUGH

USB Port

CV I/O Pitch
CV I/O Gate
CV In Filter
CV In Volume
CV In PWM
CV Out Mod Buss
CV Out Filter Env
CV Out Vol Env

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$2,600 - $3,000 initial target. Desktop/RME version around $600-800 less.

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:09 pm

CTRLSHFT wrote:I'm not spending 5k on a synth, nor are 99% of the users interested in a product like this

$2,600 - $3,000 initial target. Desktop/RME version around $600-800 less.

I agree, 5k is way too high, but 3k max for a Moog poly? If $3400 was the max price for a Moog mono Voyager, how could Moog justify anything less than 4k for a poly?

I'm not saying I wouldn't love getting one for 3k or less, but the kind of effort they'd have to put into R&D, plus production and warranty work I'm sure would equate to more than 3k to make it worth creating in the first place.

Maybe I'm over estimating the big Moog poly picture here, but if you want a Moog poly setup with six or eight voices now, you'd have to buy multiple Voyagers at an astronomical price.

Also, weren't the first Moog guitars going for 8k? There must have been a market at some point for them to be priced so high.

Just Me · Post by **Just Me** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:12 pm

The truth is, I probably would not buy one. I've got 4 poly machines now and I was able to program the one of them to do very good jobs of the patches I used when I had a MemoryMoog.
I've got the Foogers and a Voyager for the Moog sound. The Memory was not that spectacular of a machine. It was nice at the time for being polyphonic and having presets, but the sound was, to me, not as good as the machine I replaced it with. (Ensoniq ESQ-1)

soundxplorer · Post by **soundxplorer** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:23 pm

I think a high-pass filter is a must have.
Band pass would be nice too.

CTRLSHFT · Post by **CTRLSHFT** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:30 pm

Subtronik wrote:
CTRLSHFT wrote:I'm not spending 5k on a synth, nor are 99% of the users interested in a product like this

$2,600 - $3,000 initial target. Desktop/RME version around $600-800 less.
I agree, 5k is way too high, but 3k max for a Moog poly? If $3400 was the max price for a Moog mono Voyager, how could Moog justify anything less than 4k for a poly?

I'm not saying I wouldn't love getting one for 3k or less, but the kind of effort they'd have to put into R&D, plus production and warranty work I'm sure would equate to more than 3k to make it worth creating in the first place.

Maybe I'm over estimating the big Moog poly picture here, but if you want a Moog poly setup with six or eight voices now, you'd have to buy multiple Voyagers at an astronomical price.

Also, weren't the first Moog guitars going for 8k? There must have been a market at some point for them to be priced so high.

I could do 3400. Just saying the target should be competitively priced, otherwise they might as well just go extravagant and make some ridiculous 8k machine that 200 people own.

Subtronik · Post by **Subtronik** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:56 pm

If Moog makes a poly, there will be no competition.

Klopfgeist · Post by **Klopfgeist** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:03 am

What if it only offered 3 voice polyphony, but you could add expansion modules to it? That would keep the initial price down and add ability for down the road upgrades. At least 128 patches and full MIDI implementation is a must these days. I would prefer a touch screen instead of an LCD, but if it is an LCD it should be like the Voyager's but a longer length, so the top line reads the preset name and the bottom line gives you access to eight knobs (like mopho and tetra assignable parameters), and then you can go into edit mode and that gives you clearly labeled sub menus that are easy to navigate. Also it MUST have a flat top!

What is everyone's view on if it should be multitimbral? Should the voices be able to be edited separately, or should it be one voice but polyphonic?

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