My New 1130 Percussion Controller...

[noddyspuncture]

Hi guys,

Made good headway getting my recently acquired 1130 up and running... it was in bits with parts missing when I got it. I've made a temporary mod in that I can flip the two CV outputs so that the Scale Pot can control either the Pitch or the Filter in an instant..! Fitting it permanently will require drilling a hole - probably between the two pots, making it non stock. Still work in progress though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjQl25Rqezc

https://soundcloud.com/q-uazimodo03/moo ... first-test

Cheers,
Tom

[EricK]

Tom,
Congrats on the acquisition. Is that the guitar center one? I remember seeing what looked like the non-functional one and the price they were asking for was really high!

I notice a few things that make yours different from mine, the first is that the sounds you get sound MUCH BETTER than what I was able to coax out of the Micromoog! The second is that you are getting much more of a "drum" sound out of the head. When I took mine apart, there was a circular foam piece directly beneath the head. Did yours have this or did you discard it?

One thing that you might want to watch out for is the paint. If I remember correctly, something about that Ludwig paint has a tendency to start flaking off.

Thanks for making a video of these, there are a small hand full of videos out there.

Here's mine with an uncontrollable hump dance which caused my wife to bust out laughing.
https://vimeo.com/3824001

I'd like to find a way to neutralize the paint flaking and it would be nice to find an old Ludwig tom stand.

[rarecomponent]

Thanks for posting these ....first time I have seen/heard one.
Anyone know of any schematics ?

I'm pretty impressed with the effects .

[EricK]

http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Moog/moog ... ervice.pdf

I don't know anything about electronics but I think it's just an envelope follower circuit which is audio modulated by the speaker inside which is wired like a microphone.

So the harder you hit it you get a variable voltage possibly attenuated by the scale potentiometer. Each attack will produce a gate. It needs to be powered by an accessory jack on the mini, micro, or other, or if you do what CZ has done he created an interface on a modular panel to power it.

I liked to try to use it like one would use a ride cymbal, except making it where it would do somewhat of a walking bassline. That isn't evident in the video I posted (which is one of my oldest youtube videos) but its a neat novelty effect. I think mine needs a little maintenance. If anything, one needs to pull that black foam out of there.

Eric

[noddyspuncture]

Hi Eric,

I was using a Moog Modular and Minimoog...! And you must remember that this controller only 'controls' by a specific, and quite limited amount..! Your results are hugely dependant on the sound you have set up on the synth(s) being controlled.

Yes, this was the eBay one - it had a load of bits missing, and I made a few offers over quite a long time and eventually ended up securing it, still paying 'over-the-odds' though... but as these don't come up often and I can fix stuff I thought why not...!?

There is another one on eBay at the moment for $1K... but at that price you'd hope it would be fully working.

I still have the foam on mine, it was missing the speaker and some hardware... mainly pots, pillars and the base plate. I ended up making my own base plate, engraving some text on it and also fitting a jack socket there for the V-trigger output.

Luckily when I fired it up, the actual circuit board had no faults at all, which was really my main worry...!!

Cheerz,
Tom

BTW: If you want a good 'drum sound' try playing with those skin tensioning bolts..!

[rarecomponent]

Wow ! I never knew this service manual existed !!!

Fantastic !!!!

Humongous thanks Eric....

[EricK]

Service Manual courtesy of Kevin Lightner.

He hosts a lot of good stuff.

[Vsyevolod]

Tom and Eric,

Thanks from all of us for keeping things like this alive. Even though I probably will never see or purchase one, it's great to have that bit of 'living history' right here on this forum.

Rock on.

Stephen




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[EricK]

Thanks, but I don't feel I deserve any credit.



I think for years, CZ and Olivier Grall had the ONLY 1130 demos on youtube. When we get into the new house I'll make another one in HD with better programming and less hump dancing (which I assert is the TRUE definition of "wiggling." Not the knob turning but the self-congratulatory dancing while patching).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVsTQDl5W7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcZt9tLJQY

[EricK]

[noddyspuncture]

Thanks for the photos Eric,

I'll try and get some of mine uploaded. The 'paint' you have flaking is unusual because drum shells are not usually painted as such. They have a laminate covering, so maybe yours was stripped at some point and painted by a previous owner...?

Cheers,
Tom

[EricK]

There's no telling man. I vaguely remember someone saying that Ludwigs had a tendency to flake like this, and the only other vintage ludwig set that I saw (which could have been painted also) didn't have a clear coat on them either.

But how do you strip the paint and not affect the decals? If I thought I could have an exact match of the decals, I'd probably have the whole thing repainted.

Is that a MDF shell?

[thealien666]

I can confirm that some old Ludwig drums were painted, not covered by a plastic laminate like moderns ones. I had an old Ludwig snare drum that started to flake like that after many decades.
And the shell itself is 1/4" plywood, but the added bottom flange looks like MDF.

[CZ Rider]

Glad you got that all sorted out Tom! Sounds like it works great. Those 1130's are so much fun. I got my first one back in 1975. Perfect addition to a Minimoog. Every drummer/percussionist wanted to try it out.
The only thing more fun than the 1130 is a pair of 1130's and Minimoogs.

I usually can advance sequencers with them or put the pitch CV through a scale quantizer to make them more melodic. I even had a setup where I could transpose keys with a set of Taurus pedals. Surprised more drummers/percussionist do not utilize that way of playing. Would be great to have a Berlin School jam where the percussionist was driving all the sequencers.
Little video demo of a pair of 1130's. All Moog sounds.
YouTube demo of two 1130's driving Minimoogs

[EricK]

I've been trying to find a stand for a long time.

Any thoughts on how to neutralize the paint flaking?


Great video, CZ! There STILL are an incredibly few videos of these out there.