A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

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A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by Cenydd Ros » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:04 pm

I've been waiting for a month now to take delivery of my Voyager. Bought from Guitar Center (told me it would be a four to six day wait) and then they emailed me that it was on back order. So, over the last month, I have been researching which sequencer I want to get.

I have narrowed it down to these possible choices (in order of preference):
Analogue Solutions Oberkorn Mk3
Doepher MAQ16/3
Synthesizers.com Box 11s built around their Q960

I have even considered just buying a Sub 37 (or even a Prophet '08, or an analog drum machine) to have access to a sequencer. But, I really want a dedicated sequencer with a lot of creative control possibilities.

And that brings me back to Moog. I think it is time we get a new version of the Moog 960 - redesigned for the modern age.

What I would like to see in a Moog sequencer:
Full analog.
24 steps, with three rows of modulation.
On/off switching.
Directional control.
Especially suited for running the Voyager, Phattys, and Minitaur synthesizers.

If Moog builds it, I will buy it.

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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by Just Me » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:43 am

Why would they? Between Dotcom, STG, COTK and Moon, there is no reason for them to build analog sequencers.
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by Brian G » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:23 am

Take a look at the Darktime, while only two rows of eight steps it has a lot of power under the hood. Each row can run as two separate eight step sequences or as a single 16 step. Each step can be turned off, skipped or set to loop between two selected steps. Each row can be set to forward, backward or random independently. One down side is the sequence cannot be saved, but everything is in real time.

Nice thing on the Prophet 08 is the sequencer is four tracks, track one can go to pitch, track two to filter cut off track three resonance, track four noise. Cool thing is layer A and Layer B have their own sequencer, so on one patch you can have two separate sequences running. Also the 08 is a very nice pads, lead, bass and effects synth. Worth taking a look at.


Many great choices out there, having more than one is also okay :)

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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by Cenydd Ros » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:28 am

Just Me wrote:Why would they? Between Dotcom, STG, COTK and Moon, there is no reason for them to build analog sequencers.
Why would they? To please those of us who want one and to make money.

Actually, on further research the Moon sequencer looks rather good - if not somewhat inconvenient.


I want to see/hear/use a vastly superior sequencer (all analog) from the top of the line manufacturer. Moog. In short, that is why. :D
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by JohnLRice » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:08 am

Cenydd Ros wrote:I think it is time we get a new version of the Moog 960 - redesigned for the modern age.
That is pretty much what the Moon Modular 569 is! 8) Take a look at their site (they have a nice down loadable PDF catalg too) http://www.moonmodular.com/ Also, check out my YouTube channel, I have a lot of videos that feature the 569, here are a couple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZw-G9KerHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jegQt88X5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UefczTHII8U
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by EMwhite » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:28 am

Brian G wrote:Take a look at the Darktime, while only two rows of eight steps it has a lot of power under the hood. Each row can run as two separate eight step sequences or as a single 16 step. Each step can be turned off, skipped or set to loop between two selected steps. Each row can be set to forward, backward or random independently. One down side is the sequence cannot be saved, but everything is in real time.
Also, DarkTime has a built in quantizer so that will save you some cash if that's important to you. Some like the full sweeping range of analog and don't mind tuning each step by hand. It does get a bit challenging trying to tweak a step by a whole note while the sequence is running though.

The Doepfer Maq is interesting in it's own right but you might not like the interface, certainly it has more of a digital and less physical controls.

Oberkorn give a lot of steps and has some unique capabilities built in like slew, a binary coded stage limiting feature that lets you select sub-patterns of a given sequence. It also has 960 style gate bussing and patchable reset or inter step reset. (I have the 8 step version of this within my Oberheim SEM rig). And if you add a sequential switch or make one, you get 48 steps which is huge.
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by red » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:58 am

GRP Italy (http://www.grpsynthesizer.it) is developing this sequencer...
Not only synthesizers! Here at Grp headquarters, we are creating the new R24 Analog Step Sequencer. Based on the same visionary sequencer engine previously tested on the great Grp A8 and on the mighty Grp A4 synthesizers, the new R24 expands programming and interaction capabilities between man and machine. R24 can be used in CV/Gate, MIDI and USB environment, in 8x2, 16+8 o 24 step configuration, with steps freely programmable, permutable and repeatable from front panel - independently on each row. All that was previously achievable on the old A8 and A4 Step Sequencer(s) is now available on the brand new R24, with a wealth of new - terrific - functions. Below, you'll find a first list of functions.


Grp R24 Analog Step Sequencer - preliminary info
The Grp R24 is a 8x3 analog step sequencer firmly based on the mighty step sequencer previously developed in Grp A8 and A4 Analog Synthesizers. The new R24 is full of control capability with CV/Gate, MIDI and USB connections. Hardware-wise, is stand-alone self powered, with hardware compatibility for mount on 5U module format; you can use in stand alone with its internal power, or you can install in your Dot.com/Cotk/Moon Modular system. R24 respects electrical and mechanical standards for the above manifacturers. Still, you can use R24’s own cabinet as a “presto-cabinet” for powering and using your spare 5U modules.
R24 has 128 internal memories for store and retrieve separate sequences; each sequence can be set in 8x2, 16+8 or 24 mode, with any step lenght user’s selectable.
R24 can act as CV/Gate sequencer or as MIDI sequencer, with separate rows for MIDI Note selection and for Key Velocity step adjust.
Is it possible to stack together several R24 units for long sequences in series o for more simultaneous parameter control over parallel rows.

Step Parameters. Each step has

CV Value freely programmable and adjustable in real time;
can be routed to Gate 1 bus, Gate 2 bus, Off (non Gate output);
can be rythmically repeated in “Ratchet Mode” selecting X2 (simple bounce), X3 (triple bounce) or Off (no bounce); every bounce/ratchet mode works at double or triple speed - instant TaDream...
can be used in Normal Mode, Skip Mode (step skipped for sequence length shortened) or End Step Mode (for define the final length of sequence)


Row Parameter. Each horizontal row has indipendent settings for

Glide time;
CV Range X2, X4, X8 octave;
Sample & Hold value On/Off (for prolonging values between contigous steps);
Quantize On/Off (in V 1.0 you have standard semitone quantization; next firmware revision will have several quantizing masks user’s selectable);
Six different permutation Orders selectable; for choose the playing/advance order of steps (the combinations previously available only in the Grp A4 or A8 Step Sequencer, plus several other fun modes…);
(global) selectable Step Repetition; X2, X3, X4 repetitions before advance to the next step;
Indipendent (full) Row Repetition (useful in chain 16+8 or 24 step mode); X2, X3, X4, infinite repeat;
Each Row has indipendent Clock Divider; /2, /3, /4, /6, /8; divider works on Internal, TTL Ext Analog and External MIDI Clock; each row can advance at different rhythmic speed;
Row B and C can be used with their own set of parameters in full indipendence (e.g., three different sequences in 8x3 A,B,C mode); or but you can decide to use Row A parameters over rows A and B (useful for quick program in 16+8, A+B,C mode); still, you can use Row A parameters over A, B and C (useful for quick program in 24 mode, A+B+C); buttons ON on B and C sets indipendence for Row B and C.


Row Connections on front panel. Each row has dedicated analog connection for:

Gate Out 1 bus (internally normalled for cascading rows on single hardware connection)
Gate Out 2 bus (internally normalled for cascading rows on single hardware connection)
First available/active step Gate out (useful for start/stop several sequencers network connected);
End available/active step Gate out (as above, for serial connection of several sequencers),
CV Out (internally normalled for cascading rows on single hardware connection)
CV Control In for Order select (a specified CV received from external unit wil select the desidered Order for corresponding row);
CV Control In for Row Repeat select (as above);
CV Control In for Step Repeat select (as above);
CV Control In for Clock Dividing factor select (as above);
CV Control In for Transpose (internally normalled for simultaneusly transpose of several rows with a single connection from exterrnal analog equipment).


Sequencer Parameter

Four-digit display for general menu parameter/value;
Dedicated display control increase, decrease, Program and Store;
Clock selectable Internal (with its own panel control), External Analog TTL and MIDI;
Internal Clock PW front panel control; for adjust percentage of legato/staccato;
Advance mode Forward, Backward, FW/BW, Pendulum, Alternate, Random;
Sequence Mode A,B,C (8x3), A+B,C (16+8), A+B+C (24);
Global Loop always disposable with dedicated control panel (for unconditioned sequence looping);
Shift control on front panel;
Row B can be assigned to Internal Clock PW Mod or Internal Clock Speed Mod;
Row C can be assigned to Internal Clock PW Mod or Internal Clock Speed Mod;
Dedicated front panel controls for Run/Stop, Reset at first step and individual Step Advance.


Sequencer Connections on front panel

Remote Run/Stop;
Remote Loop On/Off;
Remote Reset;
Remote Glide On/Off;
Analog TTL Internal Clock Out (0/+5V);
Analog TTL External Clock Out (0/+5V);
Remote CV Control In for Advance Mode select;
Remote CV Control In for Sequencer Clock Modulation;
Remote CV Control In for Sequence Mode Select;
Remote CV Control In for Sequencer Clock PW Modulation;
MIDI In & Out for sequences bulk/dump transfer, for Note On/Off & Key Vel & Clock transmit;
USB Connection for sequences bulk/dump transfer, for Note On/Off & Key Vel & Clock transmit.
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by EricK » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:14 pm

What is missing from sequencers is patch memory (with an exception or two)

896 memory spaces (arbitrary number)
Ability to chain presets together
Bar counter
Programmable tempo changes

Put something like this in a 960 and you have a nice controller.
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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by GovernorSilver » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:25 pm

I'd been mulling getting a Eurorack modular system from Make Noise or Pittsburgh Modular for sequencing the Voyager, but that was before the Microbrute hit the market.

So now the Microbrute is my analog sequencer. Starting small seems to work best for me anyway.

Good luck in your analog sequencer search.

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Post by EricK » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:47 pm

I'm really impressed with GRP, and I wish that I had the money for an A8 and they made them again. The A8 has everything I want in a modular synthesizer.

I forgot to note though that the q119 is awesome as is, and that one can probably find a good software sequencer to hold them over until they get their hardware sequencer purchased if they have an ipad or something similar. I use my q119 in conjunction with the demo version of Numerology. Sometimes I will pair the Voyager with the dotcom voice, and run that in parallel with the T3. This works great but I surely do miss the skip features of the Moon and the 960.

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Post by David Smyth » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:58 pm

Cenydd Ros wrote:I've been waiting for a month now to take delivery of my Voyager. Bought from Guitar Center (told me it would be a four to six day wait) and then they emailed me that it was on back order. So, over the last month, I have been researching which sequencer I want to get.

I have narrowed it down to these possible choices (in order of preference):
Analogue Solutions Oberkorn Mk3
Doepher MAQ16/3
Synthesizers.com Box 11s built around their Q960

I have even considered just buying a Sub 37 (or even a Prophet '08, or an analog drum machine) to have access to a sequencer. But, I really want a dedicated sequencer with a lot of creative control possibilities.

And that brings me back to Moog. I think it is time we get a new version of the Moog 960 - redesigned for the modern age.

What I would like to see in a Moog sequencer:
Full analog.
24 steps, with three rows of modulation.
On/off switching.
Directional control.
Especially suited for running the Voyager, Phattys, and Minitaur synthesizers.

If Moog builds it, I will buy it.

~ Cenydd Ros
I am in the exact same boat - I have Phattys, a Minitaur, and just recently snatched up a Voyager XL locally that I will be receiving in April/May. :D

Now I've got plenty in the way of keyboard control and I do have the arpeggiators on the Phattys, but what I really want now is analog CV step sequencer(s) for driving these synths a different way - and within a year or two I see myself buying one at least.

I like the functionality and design of the Moon Modular 569 most out of the current 5u options, closely followed by the Synthesizers.com Q960 - but I too really wish Moog would come out with their own sequencer. All the other synth gear I have is Moog, forming a sort of big modern all-Moog modular synth together - an analog CV step sequencer is the biggest missing piece I see in their synthesizer product line.

If Moog did a classic 960 style design, but with some of today's technological advancements, that would be awesome. Imagine a 3u/4u or so deep 19" rackable enclosure (like a Slim Phatty), with the standard rows of knobs, but instead of standard knobs, they were the LED-ring encoders from the Little/Slim Phatty synth range. This would allow modern digital control over the analog sequencer voltages for patch storage etc.
Build in a selectable quantizer (on or off) and CV jacks on the front panel and I'm sold.

If that was considered by Moog to be too expensive or unmarketable, I would even be keen on some kind of knob/button (LED buttons) combo similar to the Little/Slim Phatty synth range. I know not everybody likes the interface of those synths though, and it could make live tweaking of a sequence more fiddly, depending on how it's designed/set up. Something like having those LED buttons as a step selector (or on/off/skip or something) with shared encoders for pitch. I would rather have more dedicated knobs though - Imagine 24 or 32 of those LED-ring encoders.. And I thought my Phattys were like candy! :lol:

I'm not against classic analog step sequencer designs - in fact I like them. I just think Moog could pull off a modern spin on a sequencer (patch memory seems like the most obvious route), and a different take like this would allow them to compete and offer something different to the current sequencer offerings.

If Moog builds it, I will buy it.

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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by LA Keys » Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:53 pm

Humm, what about having a look at the Elektron analog four?

This thing is pretty cool as a synth by iteself, athough produce sounds that are totally different from the Voyager. Maybe a good thing somehow as this could add some punch. It's a lot of fun to experiment with too.

Well, anyways, the thing is that I've in fact bought one a lot because it have a sequencer with 4 CV outputs. The sequencer is great with lots of features but lacking a few (no reverse)... I've tried it with my voyager and should say that it did work very well. You then have on top of that 4 tracks that could be used to play any internal patches. The main drawback is that there's no midi out from the sequencer.

Just have a look, maybe you'll like it. I got mine used on e-Bay and I'm sure I could sell it back without any loss, not that I want to. :mrgreen:

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Post by jido-genshi » Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:16 am

Cenydd Ros wrote:I've been waiting for a month now to take delivery of my Voyager. Bought from Guitar Center (told me it would be a four to six day wait) and then they emailed me that it was on back order. So, over the last month, I have been researching which sequencer I want to get.

I have narrowed it down to these possible choices (in order of preference):
Analogue Solutions Oberkorn Mk3
Doepher MAQ16/3
Synthesizers.com Box 11s built around their Q960

I have even considered just buying a Sub 37 (or even a Prophet '08, or an analog drum machine) to have access to a sequencer. But, I really want a dedicated sequencer with a lot of creative control possibilities.

And that brings me back to Moog. I think it is time we get a new version of the Moog 960 - redesigned for the modern age.

What I would like to see in a Moog sequencer:
Full analog.
24 steps, with three rows of modulation.
On/off switching.
Directional control.
Especially suited for running the Voyager, Phattys, and Minitaur synthesizers.

If Moog builds it, I will buy it.

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http://www.moogmusic.com/products/modul ... mplement-b

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Re: A fully analog sequencer from Moog - that's what I want.

Post by Asymetrical » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:37 pm

Will the Moog Sequencer Complement B work for a Sub Phatty?

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Post by jido-genshi » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:52 am

Asymetrical wrote:Will the Moog Sequencer Complement B work for a Sub Phatty?
I don't see why it wouldn't... it should work with almost anything with CV inputs, but especially with the Phatty, Voyager, Minitaur family of synths.

Here is a Sub Phatty being sequenced with a Dot Com Q960 (which is about the same difference.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrcmEaetliw

And with Moog's Sequencer Complement B, you can sequence another synth or two at the same time!

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