patches that create singing vowels ?

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by ebo » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:02 am

see Allen Strange's Electronic Music System page 158 Figure 9.44 Simulated vowel formants
patch is
Oscillator to multi to 3x Bandpass and 3x VCA to mixer

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by MusicoNova » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:35 pm

Me asking some what different question - How you doing with vowels as per the info suggested? Ultimately where you arrived?

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by _DemonDan_ » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:40 am

There are lots of guitar processors that have Vowel effects
(Korg's Pandora and EHX Talking Pedal come to mind).

But there's a Dual (true) Analog Filter pedal called "Wahoo"
by Sonuus that can do many things including vowel simulation:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Wahoo

http://www.sonuus.com/products_wahoo.html

Each of its multimode filters can be independently controlled by:
Foot Pedal, LFO, Envelope, or Pitch (!)

http://www.sonuus.com/products_wahoo_editor.html
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by rarecomponent » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:46 am

MusicoNova wrote:Me asking some what different question - How you doing with vowels as per the info suggested? Ultimately where you arrived?


Yes..getting there. But its a lot of hit and miss, using the 3C limitations of the early 70's I don't want to use new gizmos on the system so am building an x-y pedal which I think should achieve the Tomita type vowels etc.

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by rarecomponent » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:14 am

ebo wrote:see Allen Strange's Electronic Music System page 158 Figure 9.44 Simulated vowel formants
patch is
Oscillator to multi to 3x Bandpass and 3x VCA to mixer



I didn't know of this book..Amazon have it for......£250 !!!!!

I think there is a PDF...does anyone have a link?

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by tommyecho » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:30 am

rarecomponent wrote:
ebo wrote:see Allen Strange's Electronic Music System page 158 Figure 9.44 Simulated vowel formants
patch is
Oscillator to multi to 3x Bandpass and 3x VCA to mixer



I didn't know of this book..Amazon have it for......£250 !!!!!

I think there is a PDF...does anyone have a link?


+ 1 to this! I've been trying to get my hands on the pdf, but to no avail! Anybody have it?
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by misterpete » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:09 pm

Hi ebo!
:shock:
can you get that Holy Grail converted to a .pdf somehow?
maybe if we pitch in to cover your cost we can it into the knobtweak archives?

ebo wrote:see Allen Strange's Electronic Music System page 158 Figure 9.44 Simulated vowel formants
patch is
Oscillator to multi to 3x Bandpass and 3x VCA to mixer
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by misterpete » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:10 pm

misterpete wrote:Hi ebo!
:shock:
can you get that Holy Grail converted to a .pdf somehow?
maybe if we pitch in to cover the cost we can get it into the knobtweak archives?

ebo wrote:see Allen Strange's Electronic Music System page 158 Figure 9.44 Simulated vowel formants
patch is
Oscillator to multi to 3x Bandpass and 3x VCA to mixer
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by JohnLRice » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:20 pm

In a recent video test of the new Happy Nerding Fun VCF I happened on some vocal sounding "whoa wow" sounds. Jump to about 7:05: http://youtu.be/X114GA1280s

There is a new module called the RB1Robotto that is coming out (soon?) by soundmachines that is designed for vocal singing! I really want one! Here is an early test byt the manufacturer, 'vocal' stuff starts at about 1:30 http://youtu.be/lpkUkJ1fwIc
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by Kevin Lightner » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:26 pm

Certain vowels can be realized by running one oscillator through a filter, then using another oscillator (usually higher pitched) to FM the filter via CV inputs.
The modulation waveform is often best being a square, but PWM can greatly affect the outcome and is desirable to have control over.
Filter freq, resonance and modulating osc freq and waveform are tweaked until the desired vocal.
With this above, I've been able to make a human sounding A, E or I.
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by rarecomponent » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:57 pm

Kevin ...thats a superb tip...Works a treat! I'm getting those special timbres....any more patch tips there?

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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by MC » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:13 pm

I do know that Kevin's tips will work on a Voyager. Years ago I did a atonal piece called "An Aibo Libido" on the Voyager - I was just tweaking the panel while recording and I got a bunch of formant sounds from that. Unfortunately that was before the OS had MIDI CC control of the panel, otherwise I would've captured tweaking via MIDI.
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by Kevin Lightner » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:24 pm

Cool that you got that happening.
Different filters can vary a lot.

The only further advice I could give you've probably already tried: vary the modulation depth to the VCF.
Maybe using an already hardsync'd waveform (for either audio or modulation) could make some interesting variations?
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by MC » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:41 pm

Kevin Lightner wrote:Maybe using an already hardsync'd waveform (for either audio or modulation) could make some interesting variations?


That was definitely one of my tricks
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Re: patches that create singing vowels ?

Post by mico » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:15 am

I have created a vowel patch with the Sub Phatty, believe it not.

It is utilized here in the first demo for my other project, The Black Sacrament - a Skyrim-influenced Worship / Ritual / Drone project:
http://soundcloud.com/theblacksacrament/encantation

This is likely to be the most "mellow", albeit still eerie, piece that you can come to expect from this project. It is called, "A Child's Conjuring".

Enjoy.

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