what will they name it?

ARP · Post by **ARP** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:04 pm

shut up?? I believe on the previous page it was you who said "modular would be sweet but would have almost no market" ??

endocrine · Post by **endocrine** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:32 pm

I wrote a real reply, but then my computer magically unplugged itself as I reached for the mouse to hit send. Here's what it boiled down to:

-I didn't mean to be so harsh
-There is a price to Mooginess ratio
---Modules are too much. They cost alot to make and I don't think they would make back thier investment
---But it's not strictly money/market. If that were the case they would make a VA or something.

Let's not get into this. Let's talk about analog cowbells some more. Thats more fun.
-Tyler2000-

OysterRock · Post by **OysterRock** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:05 pm

More analog cowbell!

ebg31 · Post by **ebg31** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:50 pm

Which analog drum machines have a cowbell? Is there one in the 909?

sir_dss · Post by **sir_dss** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:35 am

I'd be up for more of a MOTM/MOOG union than a .com system as far as modulars go.

http://www.synthtech.com/motm.html

MUCH more solid.

Indeed · Post by **Indeed** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:33 am

I think there IS a cowbell in the 909. Mantronix used a 909 back in the day on hella projects...peep albums like "Musical Madness" or Just Ice's "Back to the Old School" Real Fresh stuff, if you like old school hip hop, that is...

I think its gotta be a drum-machine or wind-synth type thing. I'd get a wind-synth, but its gotta be ill. I ain't buyin hardly nothin Alesis unless its an A6...

Ahhh...Vocoder MoogerFooger... hehehe... I had an Electrix WarpFactory Vocoder...it was okay...but I don't think anyone is really making an ILL Vocoder...
keep thinkin people...

OysterRock · Post by **OysterRock** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:13 am

Musashidan wrote: Ahhh...Vocoder MoogerFooger... hehehe...

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Thats what I'm pining after, too!

writeroxie · Post by **writeroxie** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:53 am

I really think they should do a voyager lite. If you search ebay on any given day, there are just so many moogs being re-sold. moog however is seeing none of that money. I'm sure there are many people who would rather drop a 1k on a new moog 2 vco keyboard, than some un-warrantied dinosaur with who-knows-how-many potential issues. I guess the question is, can moog make a cheaper synth? How would it be different/cheaper than the voyager? No patch memory? a reissue of something like the Prodigy would be perfect... IMHO

ebg31 · Post by **ebg31** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:05 am

Once again, I really think that we'd have to look to another manufacturer for a brand new budget analog synth.

Hell, even if it isn't being produced already, there's got to be someone out there who'd be interested in creating one. In the meantime, why not look for a Studio Electronics ATC-X? If that baby got more advertising, it could be a hot seller on the budget market. It's not as limited as many would believe.

sir_dss · Post by **sir_dss** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:09 pm

Yeah...They can have them made in China. NOT!

ebg31 · Post by **ebg31** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:37 pm

Oh, come on. Based on the amount of trading and purchasing being done on eBay and such, I think that the market is there. It's the same market that enjoys old drum machines and all the stuff we're talking about, here.

I'm pretty sure that people out there in the world who truly love analog are getting fed up with having to settle for used gear, if they don't want to use affordable modeling synths.

I appreciate your sarcasm about China, but the situation isn't as bleak as it looks in the above post.

endocrine · Post by **endocrine** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:18 pm

Budget cuts from Voyager:
-no wood panneling or backlight (sorry, I'll miss them too)
-no touch pad thing
-1 less oscilator
-screen could be simplified to simple 2 number LEDs (or patch memory done away with altogether)
-a general slight slimming of quality in the things that don't matter.

-Tyler2000-

sir_dss · Post by **sir_dss** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:53 pm

Lets take it down further...

1 VCO or...2 DCO (D as in Digital. That will make it cheap).

Only set waveforms. (Tri, Squ, Saw, Sine)

1 2 pole diode filter.(diodes are much cheaper than transistors)

Set waveform LFO

1 Envelope for either the VCA or VCF

Pitch wheel, no mod wheel

No CV since no one uses that anyway

Optional Audio Input upgrade.

And you can save $200 if you build it from a kit.

Otherwise.

Made in India

$749.

And it does come with a big MOOG logo.

What do you think?

godzilla · Post by **godzilla** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:07 pm

sir_dss wrote:Lets take it down further...

1 VCO or...2 DCO (D as in Digital. That will make it cheap).

Only set waveforms. (Tri, Squ, Saw, Sine)

1 2 pole diode filter.(diodes are much cheaper than transistors)

Set waveform LFO

1 Envelope for either the VCA or VCF

Pitch wheel, no mod wheel

No CV since no one uses that anyway

Optional Audio Input upgrade.

And you can save $200 if you build it from a kit.

Otherwise.

Made in India

$749.

And it does come with a big MOOG logo.

What do you think?

NO WAY!

what do you mean no uses that anyway, the main reason i want moog to make a more affordable synth is to be able to get a cheap(ish/er) modular/semimodular.

if they release a synth with DCOs, no CV, set waveforms (really i could live with this but seeing as the micromoog had sweepable waveshape i'm sure a new budget synth could) that's made in india i'm definitely not gonna get it.

I want something that will at least outshine my roland SH 101.

You have to think about the things that are needed in a "Moog" product. such as:

-analog
-build quality
-connectivity

Picture the voyager and think about what can go
IMO

-memory and the whole OS interface including the display (it's easy enough to write down the settings of a patch if you really need to)

-one or two VCOs could go, but they should allow for VCO sync and FM in either case, having internal or external.

-the touch pad "could" go but that doesn't mean it "should", they already have a voyager stripped of all its performance features (RME) the more affordable synth would be an alternative to the RME for those who can't afford the voyager but still want a synth they can play as is as opposed to the RME, so they should have "performance" in mind when they design it.

-if they had the cheaper filter people could always use the mf 101 as an expansion filter, as long as it had the same sort of pre filter effects loop thing the voyager has.

ebg31 · Post by **ebg31** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:23 pm

Here's another one.

A synth with the features of the Yamaha CS-15 and SCI Pro-One with 64 re-writable patches and the touch surface built and sold seperately. It could have the same keyboard as the Voyager, but it could have miniature DX7-type buttons squeezed into the front panel. This would make it good for MIDI controller use.

They could also update whatever MIDI bugs are present in the Voyager mainframe.