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Post by miket156 » Fri May 13, 2005 6:12 pm

Hey MC:

I would have like to have kept more of my vintage gear, but I ended up owing the IRS :evil: a bunch of money and had to sell off an OBXa 8 voice, Mini Moog, CP70b, CP80b, JBL loaded PA cabinets, EV S18-3's, a full rack case, and my beloved B3 and Leslie. The B3 and Leslie were never moved from the front of my music room from when I bought them brand new from A Hammond dealer back in the early seventies. I got practically nothing for the stuff by today's standards. They were the only assets I had that I could turn into cash to get rid of G-men. bleep. :roll:


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Post by MC » Fri May 13, 2005 7:38 pm

Mike, sorry to hear that. You had a lot of good stuff, that's sad you had to liquidate. You must have owed them a lot of money, that's some primo gear value there.

The IRS came after me last year, but I beat back at them with their own publications that proved I was qualified for the alimony deductions under dispute. They picked the wrong time to pick a fight, because I was all fired up for my divorce trial. :evil: They had a tiger by the tail and ultimately they relented with no changes to my return. I would have had to liquidate some gear if I hadn't roared back at them, I was broke by the end of the trial.

They have the occasional idiot doing examinations, and they figure most people would give in without a fight. Not me. I had done my homework and consulted with professionals when I did those returns. Having a CPA involved really lends credibility to a dispute.

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Post by miket156 » Fri May 13, 2005 8:34 pm

MC:

It's a long story, I'm not making the IRS the bad guys here. There was no doubt that I owed them the money, they were willing to "settle" for less if I paid up. I had put them off for a number of years saying I would be able to make it up by playing and recording, but expenses were eating to much of the take and it wasn't going to work. So I paid them off and got on this my life. I wish I still had my OBXa and my Mini Moog. :(

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Post by ebg31 » Fri May 13, 2005 9:22 pm

To MC (and anyone else who'll read this), do any of you think that there'll be another period like the 80's, when the analogs fall back out of favour?

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Post by gd » Fri May 13, 2005 9:26 pm

I believe it will happen again as this industry is very cyclical.

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Post by ebg31 » Fri May 13, 2005 10:24 pm

Great, then some of us on this forum will be able to profit from top-notch rigs at wholesale prices. Wasn't th Mini Model D only worth $150 - $300 Americal dollars, twenty years ago?
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Post by gd » Fri May 13, 2005 10:37 pm

ebg31 wrote:Great, then some of us on this forum will be able to profit from top-notch rigs at wholesale prices. Wasn't th Mini Model D only worth $150 - $300 Americal dollars, twenty years ago?
don't remind me, as that is when I virtually gave mine away as there just were no interested buyers in "that old school junk" as I was repeatedly told by the retailers.

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Post by Mike Braithwaite » Sun May 15, 2005 8:07 am

I remember seeing Prophet 5's going for $200 in the paper around 84 and thinking, who would want that? Use that $200 on a new DX7!! LOL.
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Post by ebg31 » Sun May 15, 2005 9:43 am

Mike Braithwaite wrote:I remember seeing Prophet 5's going for $200 in the paper around 84 and thinking, who would want that? Use that $200 on a new DX7!! LOL.
Bet you're eating those words with a side of baked beans, Mike.
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Post by Mike Braithwaite » Sun May 15, 2005 6:18 pm

You better believe it. That was the lowest price I ever saw. They were also as high as $500 or so. My first synth ever was a Juno 106 that I bought in 1986. I never did buy a DX7. It got old real quick playing it at the music store.

Beleive it or not, the first Moog I ever bought was the Taurus I pedals I just got. Shame on me! I would still like a MiniMoog, & a Voyager. I'll also pickup the 12 stage phaser. I used to use an old sampled Moog bass patch on my Emax, and that's what I used instead of a Mini. Shameful, I know.

But Moog is heavy on my want list. I almost have my Oberheim fix...got my 2 SEM 4 Voices and my Matrix 12, now I need an OBXa and an OBX. Got my Yamaha CS-80 restored by Scott Rider now, and I have my CP-70B piano. I still need my Arp 2600 and Odyssey but I do have 4 String Ensembles (2 early, 2 late) and a Quadra which is only good for it's killer phasor. Need a P5 or P10 and maybe a VS. The I have some other non-vintage synths like my dinasour Emax SE that I'll leave out.

Unfortunately, I also collect vintage guitar amps and NOS tubes, and also studio outboard gear. So my cashflow gets watered down quick! I can't believe how much old Marshall's are going up. A few years ago I bought a mint 1965 JTM45 for 2.9k, and now it's worth over 8k. So I'm done buying old amps it looks like and I can now buy more synths when I'm not stocking up on tubes.

I'm lucky that I'm still single and can blow money on this stuff, but I'm unlucky that I've had to spend tens of thousands of dollars fighting this damn late stage Lyme disease I got from a little bastard tick!! I would have my want list covered several times over if it weren't for that little damn bug. But I'm not complaining really. When we look at the world around us we all very lucky to have the things we have right now. :)
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Post by Nick Montoya » Sun May 15, 2005 7:42 pm

I've got a Model D, Prodigy, Mg 1 and (kinda rare) 3 band Parametric EQ !
And of course the only moog thing no one has yet mentioned.. My Moog tattoo ( not actual product and no.... not for sale .. Even if you get one, I had it PHIRST !) just poking fun at yall... Anyone going to Moogfest?

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Post by MC » Mon May 16, 2005 1:21 am

ebg31 wrote:To MC (and anyone else who'll read this), do any of you think that there'll be another period like the 80's, when the analogs fall back out of favour?

Eric.
It could happen again if
  • Musicians start complaining that analog doesn't sound like a piano or a rhodes
    Someone introduces the next "DX7" or cheap "sampler" that gives these frustrated analog users the sounds they want
    They dump their analogs to fund purchases for their new toy
I can't see that being repeated.

There is also this scenario: if VA or softsynths get good enough you can't tell the difference from real analog, then folks will start dumping them because vintage analog is expensive to keep running (repairs, obsolete parts, etc). Judging from the proliferation of vintage guitar amps over modeling amps and the achilles heel of softsynths/VAs (the filters), that's a long shot.

Look what happened to the vintage Minimoog market when the Voyager came out. They peaked at $2500 at the Voyager release (late 2002), now they're averaging $1500. The vintage value was driven down by the availability of a new equivalent with modern features like MIDI and patch storage.

I think the best chance of seeing better vintage prices are reissues using modern parts and features, but reissuing a P-5, an OB-X, or a MM would require more R&D than it would be worth.

An eight voice OB-X listed for $5995 in 1979 dollars and doesn't have MIDI or multitimbrality; a sixteen voice Andromeda lists for $3495 in 2004. The bar keeps going lower and lower as the years progress and musicians expect more features for less money. It's a cutthroat market.

Building a reliable good sounding polysynth at an attractive price is really really hard. Monosynths are a lot easier, witness the growing offerings in the market in the last five years. The closest thing to any of the the vintage polysynths is the Omega-8 and Andromeda, and these aren't exactly selling in huge numbers. As fat as the Omega-8 sounds, the biggest gripe I hear about is the price.

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Post by Mike Braithwaite » Mon May 16, 2005 7:30 am

The only chance you'll ever see more poly analogs in the future with the quality we expect is if a small boutique outfit produces them in small numbers at outrageous prices. It may get to a point when this may occur. You do see this happening with modulars right now. Although the guitar amp market is very different in many ways, most particularly that it's infinitely cheaper to build an amp like the classic vintage amps, there are some similarities to be noted.

One big questions in the vintage amp market is why they haven't skyrocketed like the vintage guitars. A 1959 sunburst Gibson Les Paul in mint condition can fetch 250k now. However, the holy grail amps are still topping out at 15-20k. And it's the amps that have most of the influence on sound. But the amps are starting to make a move.....but I don't think they'll ever approach the guitars. A very common 60's Strat fetches 5 figures.
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Post by neriks » Mon May 16, 2005 8:00 am

I have a Model D and a Modular ...

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Post by hieronymous » Mon May 16, 2005 10:28 am

I have a Model D and a Modular ...
Wait, you're actually on topic! :shock:

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