Hello all,
I am not far off from building my modular (slow moving project), I remember reading a thread a while ago on the muff forum regarding different manufacturers having different power requirements and some operating with higher v CV/gate etc
I plan on a euro rack build at this stage, theirs just so many options, cables will be a bit of a pain in the arse... but might just be worth it.
I want to build a modular that will work with my moog gear, Is there any brands that will not work work with moog -5v/+5v format?
Prefab cases for Australian power supply, is there anything I need to know be fore buying?
Thanks
modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
They will all play together, but it's going to take a concerted effort on your part to make sure the voltages are at the right level. Muff's is really a better place to ask those questions, but there are also people here that can help.
This is an area I really should brush up on more myself.
Id say good luck, but your future is pretty much screwed. I foresee thousands more dollars exiting your wallet. Welcome to the club.
This is an area I really should brush up on more myself.
Id say good luck, but your future is pretty much screwed. I foresee thousands more dollars exiting your wallet. Welcome to the club.
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Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
hahaha cheers Erick
don't tell my wife
How do you make sure your voltages are good to go before patching?
I posted up on muff but did not get much feed back...
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=
Thanks again mate
don't tell my wife
How do you make sure your voltages are good to go before patching?
I posted up on muff but did not get much feed back...
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=
Thanks again mate
Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
I use the CP-251 mixer and attenuators all the time to get voltage levels correct. For measurement, i use a DSO Nano V2, and a little meter i wired up. Apparently I can't attach a photo..
Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
There are a number of analog (but digital : ) o-scope modules that you can get your hands on for a few hundred dollars. (like this one: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewto ... 6f78c1bdc5) Will not only show you voltage but also dual waveforms which is handy. But that's a fair sum of money that can be better spent (as you will soon see) on other modules.
But a simple multimeter or a voltmeter, possibly mounted behind a bland DIY panel with a single 1/4" or whatever jack type you like will do the trick. Then you can attenuate as somebody else said.
To give you just a bit more feedback.
You'll find that some modules leverage bipolar (to negative voltage, especially LFOs) while other just stay in the positive range. Some envelop generators also go negative. And btw: MoogerFoogers, despite saying "5V" actually push out greater voltage than that on the ring and also respond to high voltages coming back in (to Expression pedal jacks).
Many of the Moog circuits leverage the return voltage from Expression pedal jacks then 'add' this to the starting point of the pot on the panel (whether it be Voyager or Fooger). I'm not as technical so some of the other folks here but you can think of it as a base and an offset and I've found that beginning with a low base allow for greater range and values > 5V are actually useful in getting a given control to where you want it.
Certainly voltages > 10V are a bad idea and I 'think' there is protection at least at some level so best advice is to keep within range of what the equipment manufacturer recommends.
Gates are another matter. Some gear is extremely finicky when it comes to recognizing a gate either by leading edge, trailing edge, seeing a voltage at a specific level; many manufacturers (Synth.com is one) documents the voltages specifically. I've found Moog to be especially liberal on some pieces of gear and difficult on others (my Old School Voyager).
Hope this somewhat extended explanation helps.
But a simple multimeter or a voltmeter, possibly mounted behind a bland DIY panel with a single 1/4" or whatever jack type you like will do the trick. Then you can attenuate as somebody else said.
To give you just a bit more feedback.
You'll find that some modules leverage bipolar (to negative voltage, especially LFOs) while other just stay in the positive range. Some envelop generators also go negative. And btw: MoogerFoogers, despite saying "5V" actually push out greater voltage than that on the ring and also respond to high voltages coming back in (to Expression pedal jacks).
Many of the Moog circuits leverage the return voltage from Expression pedal jacks then 'add' this to the starting point of the pot on the panel (whether it be Voyager or Fooger). I'm not as technical so some of the other folks here but you can think of it as a base and an offset and I've found that beginning with a low base allow for greater range and values > 5V are actually useful in getting a given control to where you want it.
Certainly voltages > 10V are a bad idea and I 'think' there is protection at least at some level so best advice is to keep within range of what the equipment manufacturer recommends.
Gates are another matter. Some gear is extremely finicky when it comes to recognizing a gate either by leading edge, trailing edge, seeing a voltage at a specific level; many manufacturers (Synth.com is one) documents the voltages specifically. I've found Moog to be especially liberal on some pieces of gear and difficult on others (my Old School Voyager).
Hope this somewhat extended explanation helps.
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Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
I would love to see a pic!cliffman wrote:I use the CP-251 mixer and attenuators all the time to get voltage levels correct. For measurement, i use a DSO Nano V2, and a little meter i wired up. Apparently I can't attach a photo..
Can you host it on photbucket or something?
Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
Thanks EMwhite, a very interesting read, thanks again for posting this up!
I will check out the o-scope modules!
The research continues... any one wana buy a virus ti2 lol
I will check out the o-scope modules!
The research continues... any one wana buy a virus ti2 lol
Re: modualar compatibility with moog gear and power question
So all modern moog gear is +/-5V for Cv and gate correct?
So I am essentially looking for companies that follow suit, having +/-5V format. (without the need of attenuation and o scopes etc)
I had a quick look on the analog haven site and a lot of popular companies do not even list this in there specs?
And just to understand it a little beter +/-5V means every volt within this group? like -5v trough to 0v... through to+5v etc?
Sorry for my interrogation lol
So I am essentially looking for companies that follow suit, having +/-5V format. (without the need of attenuation and o scopes etc)
I had a quick look on the analog haven site and a lot of popular companies do not even list this in there specs?
And just to understand it a little beter +/-5V means every volt within this group? like -5v trough to 0v... through to+5v etc?
Sorry for my interrogation lol