Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by David Bulog » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:19 pm

Kevin Lightner wrote:
But didn't that 303 have that sequence already in there because someone programmed it in previously?
Its suspected the TB-303 batteries were removed and replaced and the the previous sequence that was in the machine at purchase was corrupted and in its place was Acid Tracks
http://www.discogs.com/Phuture-Acid-Tracks/release/1949
Given the same equipment a TB303.TR-727, TR-707
Would Keith Emerson have made a record as good or even chosen that Acid Tracks sequence?

My point is the synth can sometimes make the music and not the person

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by thealien666 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:26 pm

The margin is very slim between what can be considered music and not just random notes...
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by LivePsy » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:42 pm

It was a new sound back then. Just like in the '60s anyone with some kind of step sequencing was a synth-god. Once the sound is well known then its the skill of the musician which differentiates good and bad. I love acid, but those early tracks weren't *that* good. The acid lines didn't flow that well, the drum patterns don't have the excitement they do now. But yeah, everyone was blown away.
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Goom » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:03 pm

Reading this thread brought to mind that everyone (on the planet, that is) has different experiences, perspectives, views, desires, etc., etc. about all things in life. Whether it's cars, synths, presidents, what-have-you, people will think about them differently.

Do these different views make either one wrong?

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Goom » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:05 pm

Oops, by the way - CZ Rider, your mp3 sounded fantastic. Do you have a different mix with a Mellotron and synth strings added? I'd love to hear it! Also, congrats on the show in Philly. That sounds like it was a lot of fun!

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by CZ Rider » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:31 pm

Thanks Goom! Glad you liked it, but as soon as you add some Mellotron and strings you are in Berlin School territory. Here is another Moog sequence with a bit of Tron Flute. That whole genre of electronic music just puts a smile on my face. :D

Moog Modular sequence with Tron Flute MP3 6.5MEG

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Here is a link to the radio shows:
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Goom » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:20 pm

Very nice - on all counts... Thanks for the link!

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by thealien666 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:57 pm

Great pic CZ Rider, from the looks of it, you have a potential 3 voices polyphonic Voyager ! Maybe Moog Music should come out with a firmware update to provide the Voyagers the same poly chaining capabilities (master/slaves) as the Phattys ? Or is it possible already ? :idea: :?:
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Elhardt » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:29 pm

Ronny_Pudding wrote:I collect things. Are you saying I have a character flaw Kevin? You don't get to understand everybody and everything. Collectors have made you a nice living with all the services you've done for them over the years. A lot of people have things missing in their lives and struggle everyday to fill the void. I guess I'm just not an enlightened guru like you. You sound like a real arrogant, insensitive jerk man.
This thread has everything as usual: people defending stupid human behavior, people lowering the standards as to what music is just so they can pretend to be musicians, and people missing the points of others.

When somebody calls themselves a "collector", that implies that they don't actually use the things they buy, but just collect them. That is a pointless human behavior, a waste of good gear that could actually be used, and doesn't equate to people who have a lot of gear and use it. It's not behavior that should be encouraged with stupid comments like "do what makes you happy". However, it is possible to find a positive side to people who collect / horde old Moog Modulars, pulling them out of circulation and driving prices up, is that that particular Moog Modular will no longer produce cheap, no-talent, repetitive garbage as virtually all other modular synths do these days. So better to rot away as a collector's item than to contribute to the destruction of music and culture and add to the glut of crap I have to sift through.

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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Mr Arkadin » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:37 pm

Elhardt wrote:This thread has everything as usual:[...]people lowering the standards as to what music is just so they can pretend to be musicians
And I suppose you are the barometer we should all look to make sure our musical tastes meet your standards. If you can't see how arrogant that last post makes you sound... well I'm sure you won't.

Please enlighten us as to what is good and music and what is not.
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by LivePsy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:41 pm

Indeed Arkadin. I don't see why I am supposed to feel guilty for having something and selfishly not meeting a stranger's expectation of what I should achieve with it.
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Voltor07 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:44 pm

Elhardt wrote:
Ronny_Pudding wrote:I collect things. Are you saying I have a character flaw Kevin? You don't get to understand everybody and everything. Collectors have made you a nice living with all the services you've done for them over the years. A lot of people have things missing in their lives and struggle everyday to fill the void. I guess I'm just not an enlightened guru like you. You sound like a real arrogant, insensitive jerk man.
This thread has everything as usual: people defending stupid human behavior, people lowering the standards as to what music is just so they can pretend to be musicians, and people missing the points of others.

When somebody calls themselves a "collector", that implies that they don't actually use the things they buy, but just collect them. That is a pointless human behavior, a waste of good gear that could actually be used, and doesn't equate to people who have a lot of gear and use it. It's not behavior that should be encouraged with stupid comments like "do what makes you happy". However, it is possible to find a positive side to people who collect / horde old Moog Modulars, pulling them out of circulation and driving prices up, is that that particular Moog Modular will no longer produce cheap, no-talent, repetitive garbage as virtually all other modular synths do these days. So better to rot away as a collector's item than to contribute to the destruction of music and culture and add to the glut of crap I have to sift through.
I remember you. You pulled a Polymoog out of circulation and made a coffee table out of it. I guess saving it from no-talent keyboardists like myself who just "waste your time". Who are you to say what is and is not art? And so what if what I do is unacceptable crap to you? Others might like it. The Great Elhardt is NOT a Priest in the Temple of Syrinx. Maybe once you realize that, you will be a happier person. :)
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by MC » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:05 pm

Elhardt may be abrasive, but he does have a valid point and I agree with him.
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by Voltor07 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:19 pm

MC wrote:Elhardt may be abrasive, but he does have a valid point and I agree with him.
Ok, name one example of how modular synthesizers have contributed to the destruction of culture and music, then.
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Re: Can really an moog modular be cloned today?

Post by thealien666 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:46 pm

To Elhardt,

Would you say the same thing of stamp collectors ? Should they use them to mail envelopes, even if some are worth thousands of dollars ? Would you say the same thing of car collectors ? Should they wear them down and drive a $500 000 car to work each and every day ?

Your reasoning, and your assessment of collectors is seriously flawed.

And so is your opinion about music. As I've said before; the line between music and simply random notes is very slim. And it's all in the heads of both the composer and the listener. To an extra-terrestrial it would be all just a series of pseudo-random audio frequencies, no matter the music style. That is if they have ears to begin with...
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