Single Oscillator tone generator w/ Envelope Generator / Guitar Synth
Chorus/Flanger unit (although the murf is pretty good at sounding like one)
CV Sequencer
Multimode filter (LP/HP/BP/Notch)
A nice colorful Parametric EQ
Fuzz/Overdrive/Distortion-centric pedal of some sort
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Make sure and leave a comment below if you have a selection other than the ones up there. I chose the first one. A tone generator would really complete the foogers in the modular sense, and give guitarists/bassists a really cool toy.
I really beleive what would really be the next ‘gotta have it’ is the Single Oscillator with an LFO and a really snappy envelope unlike ARPs little brother from the 70’s. I have one of them and although it is very cool in adding that 3rd oscillator to my Odyssey, it just seems to be lacking in many ways.
I am certain that the gang down there at Moog could dream up a really terrific Mooger that would blow the socks off of Arps Lil Bro, while really tying all the other Mooferfoogers in together as close to a Modular as ever before.
THAT MY FRIENDS, I BELEIVE…IS THE MISSING LINK.
While we’re just polling here, If any of you guys who voted for the Oscillator Mooger has a few moments, lets throw some ideas around that could add to this Virtual albeit quite do-able next Mooger. what do you guys/girls think could be added to the Big Bro to really set it apart without any exorbitant costs. (I thought the MurF was a tad high, maybe they could make it up to us with a price break on this one huh?!)
I voted for the EQ, I love the way my foogers make my tone sound in my effects chain, the beautiful analog circuitry makes everything sound so nice and warm. I wish they had something where i could have that warmth from the drive but i could control the other levels too. itd be a great preamp pedal.
absolutely, this would be a wonderful compliment to the murf, which is similar in some respects. another plus side is that this particular type of unit would probably be very cost effective to make, and be one of the more affordable foogers out there. they could still include some cv control over the pots too, leading to some great possibilities with the proper modulation sources.
I voted for the OSC/EG, although I disagree with the “Guitar Synth” part. What is meant by this? A serious pitch-to-CV converter is unrealistic to ask for. If you want a crappy mono sort-of-synth effect, get a BOSS SYB-3. If you want a real guitar synth, get a Roland GR-33.
the ehx micro synth would be a good example of how this could be implemented. pitch-to-cv convertion is hardly unrealistic, as witnessed by the relatively low price point for this item. moog does not want to go back to selling modulars, as they are not profitable to the mainstream, nor attractive to people who only play bass/guitar. so adding this feature is probably essential if we ever hope to see an individual OSC unit featured in the fooger series. my two cents on the issue, anyway.
The Electro-Harmonix box is essentially the same as the BOSS pedal but with more controls. Neither tracks especially well and neither actually does pitch to CV.
not exactly. the boss is digital, dsp based. the ehx is analog ::deleted the rest, don’t want to misinform people, you’re right about the cv-pitch thing::
regardless, as previously stated, I too wish they WOULD just put out a OSC / ENV fooger.. i just think the trig feature would make it salable to more than just synth fanatics, and perk up the ears of musicians from all sorts of backgrounds, which is more or less why moog started the 'fooger line in the first place.
Just in case anyone wants to know, the EHX Micro-Synth isn’t a Votage to Pitch Oscillator, it’s an Octave Divider, like an Octave pedal, but with an envelope follower and filter. It’s closer to a boss pedal, although it’s analog, versus the digital circuit on the boss.
This kind of circuit is not the same as a real oscillator (it’s a sub-oscillator), couldn’t be controlled with CV, and wouldn’t really be useful as a stand-alone tone generator.
A Pitch to Voltage circuit (controlling a real analog oscillator) is alot more complicated, and there aren’t very many examples of this kind of product that work particularly well.
But who’s to say it can’t be made to work well now (most of the ones I’ve seen are from the 70s, like the one on the Korg MS20 or Roland SPV rack).
This PV/Osc/Env would get my vote too. Although, it would probably cost alot to make one that works as both a guitar synth/tone generator and a still function as a complex VCO (with footings, wave forms, tune, etc)-- not to mention having some kind of VCA and Env. So it would seem like it would be very expensive, or more expensive than some Moogers. I’d still want one. It would be great.
interesting, I was just going off of the specs on the vintagesynth.com site.. thanks for the clarification.
I agree that the osc unit would probably be expensive, but most osc units are in most high-end modular systems, and those don’t include the casing the foogers have. alas, we shall see.. My guess/hope for pricing is $500 or under.
I’d be interested in hearing the Sherman unit. I assume by the name it’s based on the phase locked loop concept. This is probably the best approach you can get with analog.
For anyone relatively new to this forum, this Pitich to Voltage/Oscillator Mooger discussion has come up quite a bit. If you read through the older posts, someone who had alot of experience with all the various incarnations of this kind of device even made a survey of all the known versions.. Roland, Korg, Gentle Electric, etc.
Apparently Moog even made a version of the Pitch to Voltage circuit for their modular synth in the 70s. So, it’s entirely possible that it might come around again.
And besides their Oscillator Modules, they also made a rack-mount dual oscilator (similar to the Little Brother, but alot more complete) for use as an add on to the MiniMoog, MicroMoog, ect. These DVCOs can be found on e-bay and elsewhere.
i really hope that P->V circuit could fit into a fooger sized chassis that also housed a osc/env gen/vca, man that would be a cool piece of kit.. even with a pricier fooger unit. Hopefully they could keep it in the price range of the MuRF or so though, I think if they creep up into the MF-104 range it’ll turn off alot of people to the idea of picking one up, or if they’re like me, slowing down how fast I can get my hands on one (or 2 or 3 … )
I would also prefer to see another moderately priced Mooger. However, if that means cutting back on functionality, I think I would rather hold out on, and save up for the more expensive unit.
It would be really cool to have a seperate Oscillator/tone generator for use with my other Moogers, but a simplified oscillator without waveform selection or footings wouldn’t be that much better than what is already available on the LPF (sine wave generator) or Ring Mod (triangle oscillator).
You can get an oscillator module and power supply from synthesizers.com for around $300 total–and maybe that might give some indication of how much this proposed Mooger would cost. Once you add an Envelope Generator, VCA, and possible Pitch to Voltage circuit it would seem like the price would have to go up another $300 at least. So that’s $600 already.
Maybe this is too much for one unit. But it doesn’t seem very likely that Moog would make a plain oscillator without any other functions-- because it wouldn’t really do anything on it’s own-- you would need other Moogers to control it— and it wouldn’t be accessible to a guitar player (for instance).
Or, maybe it could be like a second control processor, a CP252 (this time with a VCO, ADSR, and VCA), and not really like a pedal. Which ever way though, if they made one, I’d be interested.
What if Moog made the unit double-wide? It would cost more mostly because of the innards… the end pieces would be the same, and only the front and bottom panels would have to be twice as long. Or would that make the 'fooger not as usable as a stompbox for stage use? It might resemble a drum machine at that point. Ohh, now there’s a whole other thought which I’m sure has been discussed here before… an analog drum machine. (I know I’d want one.)
I bet Bob has sketches in a scrapbook someplace of some stuff that makes the Murf seem like an everyday toy.
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