What if MOOG MUSIC were to produce a new polophonic synth...

Yeah, I’ll go along with this statement. Very good points, and all of them very likely. :mrgreen:

Yes, yes I do. :smiling_imp:

Yes, yes they are. Which is why I am so confident that they can pull off a polysynth. :wink:

Well despite this the MemoryMoog sounds incredible. It has Curtis chips…

Mine sounds incredible..what a synth…

I thought about that when I posted that but I took into account how many problems they had so I neglected to mention it.
Considering that the technology today would allow them to probably overcome all of the difficulties associated with that model I could very well be wrong. Maybe though the possibillity exists that going that route again might not fit into their criteria for a new product release.

Also, it has been brought up that some “Purists” don’t consider the Voyager to be a “true” Moog product. If you wanted to use that same logic (I don’t) it could be argued that the MemoryMoog wasn’t a true Moog. Im not going so far as to argue that point though.

I guess the only real difference is in the waveshapes right?

How does a pure wave from a curtis chip sound compared to any other?

Guys,

is it my idea or most of the times I hear the Memorymoog, the Andromeda comes to mind? These guys at Alesis did a very good job (pity I hate that company and their awful support).

But I was just listening to examples on Youtube and I can definitely hear my Andromeda there.

I am so happy, lol.. :smiley:

An Alesis still isn’t a Moog. The MemoryMoog had Curtis oscillators, which is why it sounds similar to an Andromeda. The Andromeda does not have a very nice interface, IMHO.

YouTube is NOT the best place to hear a MemoryMoog, either. The compression makes it sound like a software synth. :laughing:[/quote]

Well, yeah I didn’t say Alesis is Moog and I know that Youtube is no place to judge synthesizers. But the tone quality is definitely there.

I also trust MC :slight_smile:

And what don’t you like about the Andromeda interface? Everything is there in front of you. Even if it’s not, it won’t be more than 1-2 buttons away

:slight_smile:

Other than the fact that the operating system froze up while I was testing it in the music store and the keyboard would only play a C# sawtooth wave the whole time while it was froze, I guess it was alright. The guy behind the counter said, “Yeah, it does that. Just turn it off and turn it on again,” I said to myself, I said, “Self, don’t buy this trash heap,” :laughing: Maybe they’re better now? This was about six years ago. Maybe longer.

Hey voltor,

I understand exactly! You just played with a lemon, that’s all. I have had my Andromeda since Feb 2004 and its sound is absolutely delicious.

Ok, I have a slight and occassional problem with the values jumping here and there, but I am having it serviced soon. I think it’s probably dust.

I think this batch of Andromedas is worse than ever. No quality tests, no nothing. I hate them - they almost ruined the A6 with their awful support. :imp:

Isn’t Alesis known for lemons? Their line of keyboard amps are kind of lemon-scented too. :unamused:

I belong to the Alesis Lemon Club. I found their products very reliable before they switched hands however many years ago.

price would be an important issue and with the economy the way it is I doubt it would be much of a success… pity..

I could see a polyphonic phatty being more likely, but I don’t really dig the sound of that synth for some reason…

Another thing to think about is wouldnt you want full control over a poly.If they chose to go with a LP style design that would sacrifice some of quick on the fly control of the sound.

Not really. Push a button, turn the knob. Works for me, anyway. A lot easier than “quick on the fly” modular control, at any rate.

And to orangefunk: do you not like the sound of the LP, or the sound of two-oscillator synths in general? The LP sounds great to my ears. :confused:

ill keep throwing this idea out…makes most sense…widest market…all existing mono moog owners would want one…3 or 4 voices would be sufficient in a nice small package…CV/Midi contol of course…cheap to build so as to be in everyones price range…Moog would make a killing!

Cheers :slight_smile:

DL

Here’s something you might consider…

In a Jupiter 8, there’s over 220 internal adjustments.
In an Andromeda, there’s 1… and it’s the power supply.
Very simple and rarely necessary to adjust.

The time it takes for a production bench tech to trim a synth like a JP8 costs money.
This stage is often the slowest of the whole production line.
Quality adjustment trimmers can cost over a dollar each too, even in quantity.

The custom chips and operating system of the Andromeda allow calibration through software. This also costs money, but only once.

So a synth that’s well funded initially and expects to sell large numbers would benefit from the approach Alesis took.
Higher development costs, but lower production costs.

I’m not sure Moog is up to the sales target or production numbers Alesis expected.
Keep in mind that Alesis tanked right around the time of the Andy.
Financially, it may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
You wouldn’t want to wish that scenario upon Moog, but the alternative might be a very high priced synth.
Hand-built real analog takes some labor and quality parts, especially for a polyphonic.
Unless Moog went into some DCO or wavetable territory, I’m not sure how they’d pull it off.
Making custom analog chips (like Alesis did) and paying programmers for over a year costs a lot of money.


Later correction 2-28-09: I counted and a JP8 has around 206 trimmers.
It can be more if the unit is a very early one.

So, the Andromeda is what put Alesis in the tank? That makes sense. It is, after all, the cheapest polysynth with a Moog-like sound available. It also has a ton of voices. And, as of recently, the worst build quality. All I would like from Moog is a four-voice or six voice poly. That’s just me, personally. :confused:

My Korg Polysix with its 6 notes(go figure hahaha) was plenty really.Dave Smiths Prophet 08 is still on my list of possible wants for a poly.While its no moog,its not trying to be.It seems like its sounds would be good under a Voyager.

A chord memory and 2 seperate mod wheels would be nice on a Moog poly… wait that would probably make it more expensive..doh

I’d like this, as well. Even on top of this, though, I’d like a polysynth from Moog. No such thing as too much gear. Just ask CZ Rider. :wink:

What if they made it more modular? You could buy a voice card and add on as many as it could fit. Have it auto tune with each of the inserted boards.

I guess you can already do something similar with the voyager and voyager rack. You can set multiple units up as a poly, but it needs to be cheaper somehow…

How about stripping a bunch of stuff off of the satellite voice modules (racks?) and have the main Voyager control all of them on separate midi channels as slaves. Add an extra menu in the OS to pick which one you are adjusting. You would need some kind of mixer, like maybe a chain of in/outs with a volume knob on each rack. Just getting rid of most the knobs, switches and lighted panel would help reduce the cost quite a bit I think.